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On Aug 13, 3:04*pm, johngalloway wrote:
On 13 Aug, 19:00, Andy wrote: The FLARM in US thread has taken so may twist and turns I decided to start a new one. I was prompted by a discussion on u.r.a.s to read the SGU FLARM trial report again. *I had read it when it was first published but since FLARM was not available in US at that time I quicky forgot about it. It's worth a read: http://flarm.net/news/SGU_Flarm_Report.pdf I know that John, one of the trial participants, drops in on ras sometimes and would ask him to comment whether there has been an update to this report or whether any of the suggested software changes were implemented. *I'm particularly interested in whether a usable heading referenced display was ever developed. The uras thread that brought me back to the SGU trial report was a heated discussion on what to do when FLARM alerts to a head on situation. * It seems that, despite the increased use of FLARM in UK, there is no standardized training in how to respond to its indications and alerts. That thread can be found at http://uras.gliderpilot.net/?op=s2&id=30079&vt= Do FLARM user in other counties have any sort of standardized training in FLARM use or is it generally a case of read the manual and go fly with it? How many manufacturers have a current FLARM product? *Do all FLARM manufacturers use the same algorithms or will the system response in a given situation be manufacturer dependent? *So far I'm only aware of one manufacturer interested in the US market but it may be important to know the answer when referencing reports of user experience with other FLARM *systems. Andy Andy, We have not published any follow up to the 2007 SGU trial and there has been no modification to the Flarm software or hardware to correct the direction of the alert display from track to heading. *In practice the track versus heading issue that we identified is only a significant problem when the crabbing angle is very noticeable such as low airspeed ridge or wave soaring. * It rarely shows in thermal soaring. I think that the 2007 trial report is still valid - the main difference is that Version 4.** software, released later, seems to be subtly better in terms of appropriateness of alerts. There is as yet no formalised training in the UK for Flarm users. Some of us think that this is very important - especially as we now have a generation of ab initios who are learning to fly in Flarm equipped gliders. There are several manufacturers who sell equipment that includes Flarm functionality under license. *As Darryl explains, they all use the same algorithm. * Given the close proximity that gliders operate in and their distinctive modes of flight it would make no sense to use different algorithms within one region otherwise there could easily arise the situation that one unit predicts a collision risk whereas the other does not. I see Flarm as primarily being the glider-optimised collision alert software and the discussions of "Flarm versus ADSB" as a red herring because whatever hardware platform is used a *single common predictive algorithm is essential. *Any ADSB manufacturer/s that wished to include an effective glider anti-collision system alternative to Flarm would have to arrange between manufacturers to write and agree common algorithms ( could they do that and would they have the gliding expertise?) or use the Flarm algorithm under license - which would make far more sense. As regards the u.r.a.s. debate about how to respond to head on alerts, *the main thing to emphasise is that Flarm is an aid to see and avoid. *The alert tone is far more important to me than the directional display. *In the cruise when an alert sounds look out and around. *If the alert is from ahead it will usually be from a glider that you can acquire visually very quickly. *If not then a quick glance at the display is helpful. *If the the other glider is in our blind spot then my personal view is that a small but early correction according to the internationally recognised rules of the air is the best action. * When thermalling with other Flarm equipped gliders the Flarm audio alert mainly serves as an intermittent warning to keep looking out and the visual display is of limited use - as the Flarm manual points out. As regards the view that Flarm is no use unless all gliders have one, I don't think that is entirely true - the value is basically in proportion to the fraction of gliders that have it, but that value is magnified for an individual if he tends to fly in the company of specific other gliders that are also Flarm equipped. *All, I think, of the gliders at our club that I am likely to fly cross country with have Flarms as do all the club two seaters - the most intensive circuit fliers. So although there are still many non-Flarmed glides gliders the ones that I am most likely to encounter are Flarm equipped. John Galloway A question, to John or anyone who knows- FLARM has skipped the US but now we hope PowerFlarm will come (I have one on order). For some the cost of PowerFlarm will be too much but the cost of Flarm only (no mode c detection) would make it more likely to get bought/installed. Do we think Flarm only is a coming soon? I see that Butterfly makes them. Brian |
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