SSA response to Blanik L-13 grounding

The voice of reason. What are you doing hanging around in this crowd?

On Sep 2, 2:00*pm, Pat Russell wrote:
The voice of reason. *What are you doing hanging around in this crowd?

Usually the Bob's (K and W) are good for that. Sort of refreshing, eh?

Touche'...

FWIW, my comment was meant to be reply to sender.

Let's add Voices of Reason to the FAA AD comment page.

186 aircraft, I'll bet at least 5 times that many regular Blanik
pilots, and ONLY 20 Comments?!

BTW, the SSA says "They can't engineer a solution" on their own, and
will need help from the members. I have joined thier message list,
have you?

On Sep 3, 12:42*am, mike malis wrote:
Touche'...

FWIW, my comment was meant to be reply to sender.

Let's add Voices of Reason to the FAA AD comment page.

186 aircraft, I'll bet at least 5 times that many regular Blanik
pilots, and ONLY 20 Comments?!

BTW, the SSA says "They can't engineer a solution" on their own, and
will need help from the members. *I have joined thier message list,
have you?

Yesterday I received a call from an AI that runs a soaring operation
using an L-13. He said his AD subscription service did not deliver
these AD's to him, so I e-mailed him copies and the MB plus some
additional information. Fortunately, they hadn't operated his L-13
since the before the 30th, but he missed the original AD also. He's
now on the FAA e-mail notification. I've asked the SSA state governors
to contact soaring operations in their states with this information.
Some number of L-13's are privately owned and operated including one
operation in my state that isn't SSA affiliated. I'm still not
confident that all L-13 owner/operators are aware of the latest AD.
Especially since pros and club volunteers have been found unaware as
late as yesterday.

Indeed, if you are not logged into the SSA web site, the link does not
work, nor do the news items appear on the home page because they are
on the member side of the server.

The SSA is a voluntary non-profit organization. We do not have a
'technical committee' as the BGA once did/does. The BGA technical
committee could authorize modifications to a point and worked with
manufacturers directly. The FAA controls that aspect here and plays
by a different set of rules.

If someone is putting together a list of owners and airframes, I'll
help. If not, I'll get started. Based on the aircraft codes, there
are 211 on the US registry. I suspect a fair number are hulks, but
even if 80-90 are still flying, that's significant, and I know of at
least one that was just about to return to service after a wing
splice.

Frank Whiteley

Clearly we need to band together in the US and abroad on this issue
since we are likely all to be held to some sort of manufacturer
approved inspection process. In the US, it would be nice to have an
SSA representative on top of this, working with the FAA, working with
LET, coordinating the development of an inspection. I know that our
club maintenance officer has been on the phone regularly with the
FAA. I'm sure that this is happening time and again from other
operators.

I've requested to be added to the SSA list and made the suggestion
that in addition to coordinating the test development effort, the SSA
could act as an escrow holder for funds to pay for the test
development. $100 or $200 per owner would raise $10,000 or more
without causing any of us individually too much wallet pain. That
should be a large enough sum of money to cover the development of a
test that we all could benefit from and enough money to make it
attractive to an engineer/testing firm.

It won't resolve getting approval from LET or the fact that the
approved test may be expensive or possibly requiring equipment that is
not readily available to many AI's or operators. We've got to start
somewhere.

On Sep 3, 11:14*am, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Sep 3, 12:42*am, mike malis wrote:

Touche'...

FWIW, my comment was meant to be reply to sender.

Let's add Voices of Reason to the FAA AD comment page.

186 aircraft, I'll bet at least 5 times that many regular Blanik
pilots, and ONLY 20 Comments?!

BTW, the SSA says "They can't engineer a solution" on their own, and
will need help from the members. *I have joined thier message list,
have you?

Yesterday I received a call from an AI that runs a soaring operation
using an L-13. *He said his AD subscription service did not deliver
these AD's to him, so I e-mailed him copies and the MB plus some
additional information. *Fortunately, they hadn't operated his L-13
since the before the 30th, but he missed the original AD also. *He's
now on the FAA e-mail notification. I've asked the SSA state governors
to contact soaring operations in their states with this information.
Some number of L-13's are privately owned and operated including one
operation in my state that isn't SSA affiliated. *I'm still not
confident that all L-13 owner/operators are aware of the latest AD.
Especially since pros and club volunteers have been found unaware as
late as yesterday.

Indeed, if you are not logged into the SSA web site, the link does not
work, nor do the news items appear on the home page because they are
on the member side of the server.

The SSA is a voluntary non-profit organization. *We do not have a
'technical committee' as the BGA once did/does. *The BGA *technical
committee could authorize modifications to a point and worked with
manufacturers directly. *The FAA controls that aspect here and plays
by a different set of rules.

If someone is putting together a list of owners and airframes, I'll
help. *If not, I'll get started. *Based on the aircraft codes, there
are 211 on the US registry. *I suspect a fair number are hulks, but
even if 80-90 are still flying, that's significant, and I know of at
least one that was just about to return to service after a wing
splice.

Frank Whiteley

On Sep 3, 1:22*pm, Morgan wrote:
Clearly we need to band together in the US and abroad on this issue
since we are likely all to be held to some sort of manufacturer
approved inspection process. *In the US, it would be nice to have an
SSA representative on top of this, working with the FAA, working with
LET, coordinating the development of an inspection. *I know that our
club maintenance officer has been on the phone regularly with the
FAA. *I'm sure that this is happening time and again from other
operators.

I've requested to be added to the SSA list and made the suggestion
that in addition to coordinating the test development effort, the SSA
could act as an escrow holder for funds to pay for the test
development. *$100 or $200 per owner would raise $10,000 or more
without causing any of us individually too much wallet pain. *That
should be a large enough sum of money to cover the development of a
test that we all could benefit from and enough money to make it
attractive to an engineer/testing firm.

It won't resolve getting approval from LET or the fact that the
approved test may be expensive or possibly requiring equipment that is
not readily available to many AI's or operators. *We've got to start
somewhere.

On Sep 3, 11:14*am, Frank Whiteley wrote:

On Sep 3, 12:42*am, mike malis wrote:

Touche'...

FWIW, my comment was meant to be reply to sender.

Let's add Voices of Reason to the FAA AD comment page.

186 aircraft, I'll bet at least 5 times that many regular Blanik
pilots, and ONLY 20 Comments?!

BTW, the SSA says "They can't engineer a solution" on their own, and
will need help from the members. *I have joined thier message list,
have you?

Yesterday I received a call from an AI that runs a soaring operation
using an L-13. *He said his AD subscription service did not deliver
these AD's to him, so I e-mailed him copies and the MB plus some
additional information. *Fortunately, they hadn't operated his L-13
since the before the 30th, but he missed the original AD also. *He's
now on the FAA e-mail notification. I've asked the SSA state governors
to contact soaring operations in their states with this information.
Some number of L-13's are privately owned and operated including one
operation in my state that isn't SSA affiliated. *I'm still not
confident that all L-13 owner/operators are aware of the latest AD.
Especially since pros and club volunteers have been found unaware as
late as yesterday.

Indeed, if you are not logged into the SSA web site, the link does not
work, nor do the news items appear on the home page because they are
on the member side of the server.

The SSA is a voluntary non-profit organization. *We do not have a
'technical committee' as the BGA once did/does. *The BGA *technical
committee could authorize modifications to a point and worked with
manufacturers directly. *The FAA controls that aspect here and plays
by a different set of rules.

If someone is putting together a list of owners and airframes, I'll
help. *If not, I'll get started. *Based on the aircraft codes, there
are 211 on the US registry. *I suspect a fair number are hulks, but
even if 80-90 are still flying, that's significant, and I know of at
least one that was just about to return to service after a wing
splice.

Frank Whiteley

Yes.

I searching the aircraft codes for the L-13 I get

05614SN 7
1360305 5
1360306 183
1360312 15 L13 AC
1360315 1

That's a total of 211 on the US registry of all marks. A few are
experimental, some are USAFA, a couple may be coded incorrectly,
listed as L13 AC but manufactured over 20 years before the L-13 AC was
an option.

Even if only 80-90 are actually flying, it's still quite significant.

The grunt work is putting the N-numbers/serial numbers including
splices together with current contacts and those contacts maybe
providing their AI and DER contacts, as applicable. That will take a
week or two, but may reduce the number of folks working at cross
purposes.

Frank Whiteley

EASA has just issued the 4th AD for Blanik L-13's, issued 3 SEP,
effective 5 SEP 2010:
http://ad.easa.europa.eu/ad/2010-0185-E
This supercedes the previous 3 AD's on the L-13 spar inspection.
Expect FAA will issue yet another AD soon.
Burt
(currently near Munich)

On Sep 3, 1:36*pm, Frank Whiteley wrote:
On Sep 3, 1:22*pm, Morgan wrote:



Clearly we need to band together in the US and abroad on this issue
since we are likely all to be held to some sort of manufacturer
approved inspection process. *In the US, it would be nice to have an
SSA representative on top of this, working with the FAA, working with
LET, coordinating the development of an inspection. *I know that our
club maintenance officer has been on the phone regularly with the
FAA. *I'm sure that this is happening time and again from other
operators.

I've requested to be added to the SSA list and made the suggestion
that in addition to coordinating the test development effort, the SSA
could act as an escrow holder for funds to pay for the test
development. *$100 or $200 per owner would raise $10,000 or more
without causing any of us individually too much wallet pain. *That
should be a large enough sum of money to cover the development of a
test that we all could benefit from and enough money to make it
attractive to an engineer/testing firm.

It won't resolve getting approval from LET or the fact that the
approved test may be expensive or possibly requiring equipment that is
not readily available to many AI's or operators. *We've got to start
somewhere.

On Sep 3, 11:14*am, Frank Whiteley wrote:

On Sep 3, 12:42*am, mike malis wrote:

Touche'...

FWIW, my comment was meant to be reply to sender.

Let's add Voices of Reason to the FAA AD comment page.

186 aircraft, I'll bet at least 5 times that many regular Blanik
pilots, and ONLY 20 Comments?!

BTW, the SSA says "They can't engineer a solution" on their own, and
will need help from the members. *I have joined thier message list,
have you?

Yesterday I received a call from an AI that runs a soaring operation
using an L-13. *He said his AD subscription service did not deliver
these AD's to him, so I e-mailed him copies and the MB plus some
additional information. *Fortunately, they hadn't operated his L-13
since the before the 30th, but he missed the original AD also. *He's
now on the FAA e-mail notification. I've asked the SSA state governors
to contact soaring operations in their states with this information.
Some number of L-13's are privately owned and operated including one
operation in my state that isn't SSA affiliated. *I'm still not
confident that all L-13 owner/operators are aware of the latest AD.
Especially since pros and club volunteers have been found unaware as
late as yesterday.

Indeed, if you are not logged into the SSA web site, the link does not
work, nor do the news items appear on the home page because they are
on the member side of the server.

The SSA is a voluntary non-profit organization. *We do not have a
'technical committee' as the BGA once did/does. *The BGA *technical
committee could authorize modifications to a point and worked with
manufacturers directly. *The FAA controls that aspect here and plays
by a different set of rules.

If someone is putting together a list of owners and airframes, I'll
help. *If not, I'll get started. *Based on the aircraft codes, there
are 211 on the US registry. *I suspect a fair number are hulks, but
even if 80-90 are still flying, that's significant, and I know of at
least one that was just about to return to service after a wing
splice.

Frank Whiteley

Yes.

I searching the aircraft codes for the L-13 *I get

05614SN 7
1360305 5
1360306 183
1360312 15 L13 AC
1360315 *1

That's a total of 211 on the US registry of all marks. *A few are
experimental, some are USAFA, a couple may be coded incorrectly,
listed as L13 AC but manufactured over 20 years before the L-13 AC was
an option.

Even if only 80-90 are actually flying, it's still quite significant.

The grunt work is putting the N-numbers/serial numbers including
splices together with current contacts and those contacts maybe
providing their AI and DER contacts, as applicable. *That will take a
week or two, but may reduce the number of folks working at cross
purposes.

Frank Whiteley

I'm about 1/3 of the way with reconciling L-13 registrations with
contact information then the NTSB database. Not surprisingly a few
are indeterminate, so will turn to the wider soaring community with
those in a couple of days. Results will go to the google site and
will be updated as information is received.

Frank