George Patton Jr is not George Patton III

Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close. And it is disengenious to say
Patton
said it and then when challenged say, "Oh not that Patton". There is only ONE
PATTON.

What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic everyday.
The WW II Gen. Patton's son also served this country and also achieved a rank
very few do. Because he fought in Vietnam and not France and Germany, you some
how believe this to be "less than honorable". Well, I've got news for you old
man, leading men in Vietnam was a damn sight harder than leading men in the
open fields of France and George S. Patton *III* is more qualified to discuss
leadership in Vietnam than his father, even had his father lived to read about
Vietnam in the daily paper.

And another Patton can't be substituted for him. At least not to those
who fought in WW II.

You're right, the views of George S. Patton Jr. in regards to Vietnam would
have been meaningless since (had he lived) he had not served there. Now his son
on the other hand....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 1/31/04 5:39 AM Pacific

Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close. And it is disengenious to say
Patton
said it and then when challenged say, "Oh not that Patton". There is only
ONE
PATTON.

What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.

Then don't open them. And you know where you can stick your personal insults.

eading men in Vietnam was a damn sight harder than leading men in the
open fields of France and George S. Patton *III* is more qualified to

discuss
leadership in Vietnam than his father, even had his father liv

How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.

Patton turned an army moving East to the North and broke through the Bastogne
salient ending the Battle of the Bulge and bringing the last German thrust to
an end. A few days later the skies over Bastogne cleared and the allied air
forces flew to resupply Bastogne from the air and the 344th was there in
force. Something you know zero about so it your posts that are a pile of
pretenious pathetic crap

PLONK

...
Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote

What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.

Then don't open them.

Why not increase your logic skills, and then we won't have to ignore you.

Something you know zero about so it your posts that are a pile of
pretenious pathetic crap

You're living in a dream world. History doesn't stop because you have retired
your brain. Patton Jr. would have more respect for modern warfare than you will
ever know. His son (Patton III) was an honorable soldier, and Kerry is/was and
always will be, a conniving politician and a first degree SOB. Kerry has zero
chance of making it out of the liberal northeast, as he lacks the honor necessary to
become something other than a pork-bearing Senator. Unlike Dole, he is
unwilling to go for broke. He wants to be President, but he'll hold-on to being
a pork-Senator in case he loses (and he will lose).

Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "S. Sampson"
Date: 1/31/04 7:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: dDPSb.13478$Q_4.11152@okepread03

"ArtKramr" wrote

What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.

Then don't open them.

Why not increase your logic skills, and then we won't have to ignore you.

Something you know zero about so it your posts that are a pile of
pretenious pathetic crap

You're living in a dream world. History doesn't stop because you have
retired
your brain. Patton Jr. would have more respect for modern warfare than you
will
ever know. His son (Patton III) was an honorable soldier, and Kerry is/was
and
always will be, a conniving politician and a first degree SOB. Kerry has
zero
chance of making it out of the liberal northeast, as he lacks the honor
necessary to
become something other than a pork-bearing Senator. Unlike Dole, he is
unwilling to go for broke. He wants to be President, but he'll hold-on to
being
a pork-Senator in case he loses (and he will lose).



Is the information you are posting from your personal combat experiences? And
when did you say you were going to start ignoring me?




Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "S. Sampson"
Date: 1/31/04 7:14 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id: dDPSb.13478$Q_4.11152@okepread03

"ArtKramr" wrote

What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.

Then don't open them.

Why not increase your logic skills, and then we won't have to ignore you.

Something you know zero about so it your posts that are a pile of
pretenious pathetic crap

You're living in a dream world. History doesn't stop because you have
retired
your brain. Patton Jr. would have more respect for modern warfare than
you
will
ever know. His son (Patton III) was an honorable soldier, and Kerry
is/was
and
always will be, a conniving politician and a first degree SOB. Kerry has
zero
chance of making it out of the liberal northeast, as he lacks the honor
necessary to
become something other than a pork-bearing Senator. Unlike Dole, he is
unwilling to go for broke. He wants to be President, but he'll hold-on
to
being
a pork-Senator in case he loses (and he will lose).



Is the information you are posting from your personal combat experiences?

What an idiot. Is combat experience now required to correct your idiotic
notion that there is only one George S. Patton who acheived GO rank in the
US Army? Or is it required for an individual to judge Kerry's demonstrated
two-faced attitude towards these decorations? No, and no again. Maybe you
will extend it to only allowing combat veterans the right to vote? You don't
have a very good grasp of what you actually were fighting *for*, do you?

Brooks

snip

"ArtKramr" wrote

Is the information you are posting from your personal combat experiences?

So, you're saying you have a right to be stupid because you went to a war?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 1/31/04 5:39 AM Pacific

Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close. And it is disengenious to say
Patton
said it and then when challenged say, "Oh not that Patton". There is
only
ONE
PATTON.

What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.

Then don't open them. And you know where you can stick your personal
insults.

eading men in Vietnam was a damn sight harder than leading men in the
open fields of France and George S. Patton *III* is more qualified to

discuss
leadership in Vietnam than his father, even had his father liv

How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.

Patton turned an army moving East to the North and broke through the
Bastogne
salient ending the Battle of the Bulge and bringing the last German thrust
to
an end.

Let me clue you Art, the ten days after the end of the bulge was the
heaviest fighting there. The 101st didn't need saving.

ubject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 1/31/04 8:01 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: (BUFDRVR)
Date: 1/31/04 5:39 AM Pacific

Not by a long shot. In fact nowhere close. And it is disengenious to say
Patton
said it and then when challenged say, "Oh not that Patton". There is
only
ONE
PATTON.

What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.

Then don't open them. And you know where you can stick your personal
insults.

eading men in Vietnam was a damn sight harder than leading men in the
open fields of France and George S. Patton *III* is more qualified to

discuss
leadership in Vietnam than his father, even had his father liv

How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.

Patton turned an army moving East to the North and broke through the
Bastogne
salient ending the Battle of the Bulge and bringing the last German thrust
to
an end.

Let me clue you Art, the ten days after the end of the bulge was the
heaviest fighting there. The 101st didn't need saving.




So claim the 101st. In fact as one paratrooper was heard to say, " The Germans
have us surounded. Poor *******s" The truth is the 101st was running out of
ammo for their Garands and damned hungry as food was running low. Or so told
me a number of those guys after the battle. And they thanked the AAC much for
dropping supplies stuff. especially rifle ammo. We were in the air constantly
during those two weeks hitting panzers outside Bastogne and cutting roads and
bridges to stop the Germans from resupplying.
But I would never even suggest to anyone from the 101st that they needed our
help in any way. ((:-))



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

ArtKramr wrote:



How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.




Just out of idle curiosity, since this off topic thread seems likely to
continue, where and when did you lead men into combat? From what I have
seen of your postings your most common reference to leadership seems to
have been "I did as I was told."


Dave

"Dave Holford" wrote in message
...


ArtKramr wrote:



How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.




Just out of idle curiosity, since this off topic thread seems likely to
continue, where and when did you lead men into combat? From what I have
seen of your postings your most common reference to leadership seems to
have been "I did as I was told."

Compared to BUFDRVR who, IIRC, has indeed "led men into combat" as an AC.
Art continues to baffle and dismay.

Brooks



Dave