George Patton Jr is not George Patton III

Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 1/31/04 10:07 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Dave Holford" wrote in message
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ArtKramr wrote:



How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.




Just out of idle curiosity, since this off topic thread seems likely to
continue, where and when did you lead men into combat? From what I have
seen of your postings your most common reference to leadership seems to
have been "I did as I was told."

Compared to BUFDRVR who, IIRC, has indeed "led men into combat" as an AC.
Art continues to baffle and dismay.

Brooks



Dave



Since you did nothing you are out of the loop.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 1/31/04 10:07 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Dave Holford" wrote in message
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ArtKramr wrote:



How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.




Just out of idle curiosity, since this off topic thread seems likely to
continue, where and when did you lead men into combat? From what I have
seen of your postings your most common reference to leadership seems to
have been "I did as I was told."

Compared to BUFDRVR who, IIRC, has indeed "led men into combat" as an AC.
Art continues to baffle and dismay.

Brooks



Dave



Since you did nothing you are out of the loop.

LOL! I have served more years in uniform than you did. What a fool.

Brooks

Arthur Kramer

Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 1/31/04 11:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 1/31/04 10:07 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:


"Dave Holford" wrote in message
.. .


ArtKramr wrote:



How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.




Just out of idle curiosity, since this off topic thread seems likely to
continue, where and when did you lead men into combat? From what I have
seen of your postings your most common reference to leadership seems to
have been "I did as I was told."

Compared to BUFDRVR who, IIRC, has indeed "led men into combat" as an AC.
Art continues to baffle and dismay.

Brooks



Dave



Since you did nothing you are out of the loop.

LOL! I have served more years in uniform than you did. What a fool.

Brooks

Arthur Kramer



It's not how long you served. It is what you did while serving. Tell us about
your 20 years behind a desk in Ohio.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Try not to respond to Kevin the noise generator, Art.

Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 1/31/04 12:27 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Try not to respond to Kevin the noise generator, Art.



And that's about all he does.


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.

No? I'm glad I didn't screw up whatever it was I was doing because there would
have been problems had I suggested I was not leading anyone.....

Patton turned an army moving East to the North and broke through the Bastogne

snip Blah, blah, blah. Great, now tell us why his son who served in Vietnam
would not have been more qualified than his father to comment on Kerry's
post-war actions.

to resupply Bastogne from the air and the 344th was there in
force. Something you know zero about

I've got two degrees in 20th Century European history so I believe I know more
than "zero" about Patton's acheivements in WW II. Oh, I'm sorry, if you didn't
actually fight in WW II, you know "zero", I forgot.

so it your posts that are a pile of
pretenious pathetic crap


Using that logic, so are all of yours not dealing with WW II, in fact, you are
unqualified to comment on Kerry's service in Vietnam because "you weren't
there". Better keep your mouth shut on Yugoslavia, Iraq and Afghanistan as
well. Being engaged by surface-to-air missiles, no comment from you. Jet
engines, no comment from Art. I could go on, but you get the point.

PLONK

I doubt it....


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"

"BUFDRVR" wrote in message
What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.

Most were aware of this for years.

(BUFDRVR) wrote:
(ArtKramr) wrote:

There is only ONE PATTON.

Amen. And after it won seven Academy Awards in 1970, any sequel to
thee one and only PATTON will have some mighty big shoes to fill.

What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.

Gotta disagree there. Since he quit posting under his "Autocollimator"
alter ego (but only AFTER I exposed him as the abusive, phony *******
that unfortunately he has become) his postings as "ArtKramr" have
actually improved just a titch.

We all owe Kramer and his generation who fought in the Big One an
eternal debt of gratitude, however, contrary to his twisted moral
calculus, his serving in WW2 doesn't automatically give him carte
blanche to blatently disrespect and dish out abuse to those of us
who "weren't there."

Agreed Mike- and furthermore, (getting back to the topic of the thread), Art
is consistent in applying the "I fought in combat therefore nobody can
quesiton my opinion on ANYTHING" equally to himself and Senator Kerry.

The criticism against Kerry (and Art) is not about what they did in combat .
.. . the criticism is about what they did AFTER serving (perhaps honorably;
perhaps not; irrelevant. Kerry was a sanctimonious, hypocritical,
traitorous son of a bitch AFTER he came home. Like Art, eh deserves no
special proptection for being an ass AFTER performing his service.)

Yes, Art has always used the "How dare you question me I served in combat"
argument to defend his wrong-headed, ignorant, socialist, communist,
traitorous, unconstitutional and irrational rantings since his very first "I
deserve free medicine/health care/rent/big screen tv/etc" posting int his
forum.

True- a lot of good men served, and served well, and died for the freedoms
of the French and British in WWII. However, a lot of greedy, stupid,
bigoted, SOBs did as well. That's what differentiates today's armed forces
from those of yesteryear. Just being there (back then) doesn't buy you a
"free pass" for all of eternity.

Steve Swartz



"Mike Marron" wrote in message
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(BUFDRVR) wrote:
(ArtKramr) wrote:

There is only ONE PATTON.

Amen. And after it won seven Academy Awards in 1970, any sequel to
thee one and only PATTON will have some mighty big shoes to fill.

What a crock !! You know Art, your posts look more and more pathetic
everyday.

Gotta disagree there. Since he quit posting under his "Autocollimator"
alter ego (but only AFTER I exposed him as the abusive, phony *******
that unfortunately he has become) his postings as "ArtKramr" have
actually improved just a titch.

We all owe Kramer and his generation who fought in the Big One an
eternal debt of gratitude, however, contrary to his twisted moral
calculus, his serving in WW2 doesn't automatically give him carte
blanche to blatently disrespect and dish out abuse to those of us
who "weren't there."