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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2
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... Mxsmanic wrote: sambodidley writes: A private pilot without a medical or the hopes of ever having another one would be restricted to the Sport Pilot limits in a LSA. But that is all moot anyhow if he can't afford the LSA. And a private pilot also needs a medical to get his license, so that makes it moot as well. If he loses his medical, he's not eligible for a Sport Pilot certificate. If your medical has been denied, you can't fly airplanes period. If you have ever had a private and it hasn't been revoked, you can fly as a sport pilot. There is no way to downgrade a private certificate to a sport pilot certificate. -- Jim Pennino Litterally true as specifically stated, but a practical solution for an individual in a particular individual could still include gliders or ultralight vehicles. BTW, that nomenclature drives my nuts! Peter |
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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2
On Sep 12, 12:12*am, wrote:
a wrote: On Sep 11, 9:45*pm, wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: writes: A private pilot by definition is flying for fun. He can fly for business purposes, within narrow limits. But if he flies for business, he'll need an instrument rating, or he'll have to accept that he may not be able to profit from the airplane as often as he'd like. Very narrow limits or he needs a commercial certificate. And as far as an instrument rating goes, it depends heavily on where you are. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. Do tell me about your perception of narrow limits. Use of a general aviation airplane for business purposes is pretty much like the use of a car for business purposes. Nope. I used to think that. There is a long series of articles on the subject on the AOPA web site by the resident AOPA lawyer. I would suggest you read them. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. Jim, my financial guys and I stay pretty much on top of the way we use my g a aircraft and cover its costs. Much depends on keeping accurate records, and we do that. There is no attempt to bundle personal pleasure flying with that done to advance business interests. Nothing, on the other hand, prevents me from enjoying that piloting that's associated with business, just as nothing prevents me from enjoying the business I am in. This parade, with the current rules, is not getting rained on. |
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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2
"sambodidley" wrote in message
... wrote in message ... sambodidley wrote: wrote in message news sambodidley wrote: wrote in message ... lucky lindy wrote: wrote I guess it's okay for people flying for fun, particularly if they cannot pass a medical. Exactly! That's what I'd be doing too, if I could afford it. Isn't that the whole idea of the Sport Pilot certificate. Why else would someone with a PPL want to restrict himself with a LSA? The good old days when almost any airport had a couple of stick-and-rudder tail draggers around for rental are long gone. Recreation flying has become out of reach for many. But what the hell, I can't afford a Beemer, either. grin How would a private pilot be restricted by flying a LSA? Jim Pennino A private pilot without a medical or the hopes of ever having another one would be restricted to the Sport Pilot limits in a LSA. But that is all moot anyhow if he can't afford the LSA. And those limits would be? Keep in mind if you have a private, you already have all the Sport Pilot optional training. -- Jim Pennino Jim, See my reply to Mxsmanic. The limits are explained in Part 61 concerning using a drivers license for a medical. If you have a private pilot certificate AND a current medical certificate then there are no restrictions on you for flying a LSA with the same ratings covered by the ratings on your private pilot certificate. (Mine are Single Engine Land) If you have no current medical certificate and are using your drivers license then you are restricted to the same limits as a Sport Pilot while flying a LSA. Almost correct; you are restricted to the same limits as a sport pilot who has all the additional optional training. The net result if you do not have a current medical: You can not fly at night, above 10,000 feet, tow, fly IFR, or fly outside of the USA. -- Jim Pennino Granted. But all of that is of little use if I still can't afford to use those privileges. At one time I could, but that is no longer practical. To begin with, I live in a rural area and the nearest airport with any kind of rentals is over 100 mile away. Even those have few or no LSA rentals. Man, I came from the era back when every podunk town with a little grass strip airport had a few tandem tail draggers for rent. That scene has vanished from the earth. Recreation flying as I knew it doesn't exist any longer. I'm not saying that is a bad thing. It's just different now and it left me behind when it changed. There is very clearly a long term economic problem in the US as well as in the other so called "advanced" economies, and a lot of that appears due to a conbination of excessive imports, excessive immigration, and lots of government rules that decrease real overall productivity per worker as it is seen in a usefull way by real families--all of which does absolutely nothing to solve your problem. The only obvious individual, or local, solution is really an old fashioned one: find several future and/or former pilots of like mind and similar circumstance and form a partnership to purchase and/or build one or more aircraft fitting your mission. A partnership or flying club could make a used aircraft practical and many of the old plans for homebuild aircraft are still on the market--the EAA has some available, Aircraft Spruce has others available, and Kitplanes probably still publishes an annual compilation of many of the plans and kits available from a wide variety of surces. Peter |
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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2
sambodidley wrote:
wrote in message ... sambodidley wrote: wrote in message news sambodidley wrote: wrote in message ... lucky lindy wrote: wrote I guess it's okay for people flying for fun, particularly if they cannot pass a medical. Exactly! That's what I'd be doing too, if I could afford it. Isn't that the whole idea of the Sport Pilot certificate. Why else would someone with a PPL want to restrict himself with a LSA? The good old days when almost any airport had a couple of stick-and-rudder tail draggers around for rental are long gone. Recreation flying has become out of reach for many. But what the hell, I can't afford a Beemer, either. grin How would a private pilot be restricted by flying a LSA? Jim Pennino A private pilot without a medical or the hopes of ever having another one would be restricted to the Sport Pilot limits in a LSA. But that is all moot anyhow if he can't afford the LSA. And those limits would be? Keep in mind if you have a private, you already have all the Sport Pilot optional training. -- Jim Pennino Jim, See my reply to Mxsmanic. The limits are explained in Part 61 concerning using a drivers license for a medical. If you have a private pilot certificate AND a current medical certificate then there are no restrictions on you for flying a LSA with the same ratings covered by the ratings on your private pilot certificate. (Mine are Single Engine Land) If you have no current medical certificate and are using your drivers license then you are restricted to the same limits as a Sport Pilot while flying a LSA. Almost correct; you are restricted to the same limits as a sport pilot who has all the additional optional training. The net result if you do not have a current medical: You can not fly at night, above 10,000 feet, tow, fly IFR, or fly outside of the USA. -- Jim Pennino Granted. But all of that is of little use if I still can't afford to use those privileges. At one time I could, but that is no longer practical. To begin with, I live in a rural area and the nearest airport with any kind of rentals is over 100 mile away. Even those have few or no LSA rentals. Man, I came from the era back when every podunk town with a little grass strip airport had a few tandem tail draggers for rent. That scene has vanished from the earth. Recreation flying as I knew it doesn't exist any longer. I'm not saying that is a bad thing. It's just different now and it left me behind when it changed. Well, if you snooze, you lose. The LSA concept is new while all those old tail draggers are now mostly scrap. FBO's are slowly accepting LSA's into their fleets as the modern replacement for those old tail draggers and C150's you can't get anymore. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2
Peter Dohm wrote:
wrote in message ... Mxsmanic wrote: sambodidley writes: A private pilot without a medical or the hopes of ever having another one would be restricted to the Sport Pilot limits in a LSA. But that is all moot anyhow if he can't afford the LSA. And a private pilot also needs a medical to get his license, so that makes it moot as well. If he loses his medical, he's not eligible for a Sport Pilot certificate. If your medical has been denied, you can't fly airplanes period. If you have ever had a private and it hasn't been revoked, you can fly as a sport pilot. There is no way to downgrade a private certificate to a sport pilot certificate. -- Jim Pennino Litterally true as specifically stated, but a practical solution for an individual in a particular individual could still include gliders or ultralight vehicles. Yeah, depends on what it is you are really after. If it is just to fly, ultralights are dirt cheap. If it is to fly somewhere, i.e. a weekend in Vegas, LSA is the bottom entry point. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. |
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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2
On Sep 12, 1:00*pm, wrote:
a wrote: On Sep 12, 12:12*am, wrote: a wrote: On Sep 11, 9:45*pm, wrote: Mxsmanic wrote: writes: A private pilot by definition is flying for fun. He can fly for business purposes, within narrow limits. But if he flies for business, he'll need an instrument rating, or he'll have to accept that he may not be able to profit from the airplane as often as he'd like. Very narrow limits or he needs a commercial certificate. And as far as an instrument rating goes, it depends heavily on where you are. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. Do tell me about your perception of narrow limits. Use of a general aviation airplane for business purposes is pretty much like the use of a car for business purposes. Nope. I used to think that. There is a long series of articles on the subject on the AOPA web site by the resident AOPA lawyer. I would suggest you read them. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. Jim, my financial guys and I stay pretty much on top of the way we use my g a aircraft and cover its costs. Much depends on keeping accurate records, and we do that. There is no attempt to bundle personal pleasure flying with that done to advance business interests. Nothing, on the other hand, prevents me from enjoying that piloting that's associated with business, just as nothing prevents me from enjoying the business I am in. This parade, with the current rules, is not getting rained on. I'm not trying to rain on your parade, but for your sake I hope your "financial guys" includes an aviation attorney. -- Jim Pennino Remove .spam.sux to reply. Thanks for your concerns but we think we are not pushing any edges. We use one of the four major accounting firms, and the partner who supervises the annual audits of our account is well aware of where the alligators are in that particular swamp. |
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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2
"sambodidley" wrote:
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "sambodidley" wrote: Affordable rentals are no longer available and haven't been in decades. What is your definition of affordable rental? Simple. What *I* can afford. YMMV What is the largest dollar amount you would consider still affordable? |
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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2
wrote in message ... sambodidley wrote: wrote in message ... sambodidley wrote: wrote in message news sambodidley wrote: wrote in message ... lucky lindy wrote: wrote I guess it's okay for people flying for fun, particularly if they cannot pass a medical. Exactly! That's what I'd be doing too, if I could afford it. Isn't that the whole idea of the Sport Pilot certificate. Why else would someone with a PPL want to restrict himself with a LSA? The good old days when almost any airport had a couple of stick-and-rudder tail draggers around for rental are long gone. Recreation flying has become out of reach for many. But what the hell, I can't afford a Beemer, either. grin How would a private pilot be restricted by flying a LSA? Jim Pennino A private pilot without a medical or the hopes of ever having another one would be restricted to the Sport Pilot limits in a LSA. But that is all moot anyhow if he can't afford the LSA. And those limits would be? Keep in mind if you have a private, you already have all the Sport Pilot optional training. -- Jim Pennino Jim, See my reply to Mxsmanic. The limits are explained in Part 61 concerning using a drivers license for a medical. If you have a private pilot certificate AND a current medical certificate then there are no restrictions on you for flying a LSA with the same ratings covered by the ratings on your private pilot certificate. (Mine are Single Engine Land) If you have no current medical certificate and are using your drivers license then you are restricted to the same limits as a Sport Pilot while flying a LSA. Almost correct; you are restricted to the same limits as a sport pilot who has all the additional optional training. The net result if you do not have a current medical: You can not fly at night, above 10,000 feet, tow, fly IFR, or fly outside of the USA. -- Jim Pennino Granted. But all of that is of little use if I still can't afford to use those privileges. At one time I could, but that is no longer practical. To begin with, I live in a rural area and the nearest airport with any kind of rentals is over 100 mile away. Even those have few or no LSA rentals. Man, I came from the era back when every podunk town with a little grass strip airport had a few tandem tail draggers for rent. That scene has vanished from the earth. Recreation flying as I knew it doesn't exist any longer. I'm not saying that is a bad thing. It's just different now and it left me behind when it changed. Well, if you snooze, you lose. The LSA concept is new while all those old tail draggers are now mostly scrap. FBO's are slowly accepting LSA's into their fleets as the modern replacement for those old tail draggers and C150's you can't get anymore. \ Jim Pennino Snoozing has nothing to do with it. Change happens, sleeping or awake. Most all of the smaller airports with rentals no longer exist. They are, like myself, relics of a past era. The opportunities for recreation flying for almost anyone are just not there like they were in the past. Yes, I know, there are many logical reasons for this but it is still a fact no less. Most of those old grass strip airports are subdivisions with homes on them today. Unless you live near one of the major cities there is no place to rent any kind of plane at any price. In the rural area where I live even some of the county airports are unattended. Some have self-service fuel with a credit card but little else. I'm not complaining about all this change but merely explaining why I can no longer afford to use my pilot certificate. But I can still reflect on all the fun I experienced when I could. |
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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2
"Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "sambodidley" wrote: "Jim Logajan" wrote in message .. . "sambodidley" wrote: Affordable rentals are no longer available and haven't been in decades. What is your definition of affordable rental? Simple. What *I* can afford. YMMV What is the largest dollar amount you would consider still affordable? Well, in my case, that dollar amount would have to include the cost of transportation to and from the nearest airport with rentals. That would be over a 200 mile round trip for me. Keep in mind, that when I say affordable I am speaking only as it applies to myself. If LSA rental planes were available at some of the small airports near me I would probably find a way to squeeze enough dollars from my budget to satisfy my current thirst for recreational flying. Unless you live near a major urban area, LSA rentals are just not available at any price and I can't afford to buy my own LSA. That's what I mean by affordable. |
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Airplane prices are ridiculous, Pt.2
On Sep 12, 3:28*pm, "sambodidley" wrote:
*I'm not complaining about all this change... Well someone needs to. --- Mark |
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