George Patton Jr is not George Patton III

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Tarver Engineering"
Date: 1/31/04 12:27 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Try not to respond to Kevin the noise generator, Art.



And that's about all he does.

Art and the Tarvernaut...a match made in heaven. 'nuff said.

Brooks



Arthur Kramer

"Moose" wrote in message
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Sure he can be casutic and his pig headedness just a bit too much to
handle
at times, but the fact remains, "he was there" and we were not!

But Art has made a habit of not only extolling his "I was there" crap, but
has gone so far as to claim that others who were elsewhere following the
orders they were given somehow don't rate the same level of respect that he
claims to deserve. In the end it gets rather disgusting, and I keep
wondering if ol' Art did not have to have an escort with him when he dropped
by the maintenance, supply, etc., areas, where those "less equal pigs" would
like as not have left him needing dentures while he was still learning to
shave had he been expressing the kind of crap regarding their service that
he has in this NG over the past few years. Maybe if they had been able to do
so then he might not be the self-centered SOB that he has turned out to be.

Even if f
you ignore everything he says about post-war military aviation, Art still
makes a valuable contribution to this site.

At one time long, long ago I agreed with you. In fact, one of my first posts
to this NG was offered in his defense--how naive I was! Even his WWII info
is questionable, since he has also assured us that his unit *never* missed a
target (one hell of an exploit for a bomber unit during that war--my
father's outfit could not claim that much, and in reality no unit could),
that the CEP for their bombs rivaled that of our current PGM's, etc. He
starts an OT thread on day, then climbs on his high horse the next day and
bemoans OT threads...and immediately starts *another* OT thread the day
after that. All in all, he has turned into a bitter little man who in his
mind must belittle the efforts of all others in order to reinforce his own
suffering ego. I have been privaledged to have known quite a few WWII vets
(my own father was flying combat missions at the same time as ol' Art was),
and I hold every one of them in a hell of a lot more esteem than I do Art.
The last time Art got hammered by a number of folks in the group he cried
foul and said he was taking his ball and going home--no more RAM for him
(remindful of Nixon's little Checkers speech)! The group did not suffer much
during his (short) absense.

Brooks

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Kevin Brooks wrote:
"Moose" wrote in message
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snip

Sure he can be casutic and his pig headedness just a bit too much to

handle

at times, but the fact remains, "he was there" and we were not!


But Art has made a habit of not only extolling his "I was there" crap, but
has gone so far as to claim that others who were elsewhere following the
orders they were given somehow don't rate the same level of respect that he
claims to deserve. In the end it gets rather disgusting, and I keep
wondering if ol' Art did not have to have an escort with him when he dropped
by the maintenance, supply, etc., areas, where those "less equal pigs" would
like as not have left him needing dentures while he was still learning to
shave had he been expressing the kind of crap regarding their service that
he has in this NG over the past few years. Maybe if they had been able to do
so then he might not be the self-centered SOB that he has turned out to be.

Even if f

you ignore everything he says about post-war military aviation, Art still
makes a valuable contribution to this site.


At one time long, long ago I agreed with you. In fact, one of my first posts
to this NG was offered in his defense--how naive I was! Even his WWII info
is questionable, since he has also assured us that his unit *never* missed a
target (one hell of an exploit for a bomber unit during that war--my
father's outfit could not claim that much, and in reality no unit could),
that the CEP for their bombs rivaled that of our current PGM's, etc. He
starts an OT thread on day, then climbs on his high horse the next day and
bemoans OT threads...and immediately starts *another* OT thread the day
after that. All in all, he has turned into a bitter little man who in his
mind must belittle the efforts of all others in order to reinforce his own
suffering ego. I have been privaledged to have known quite a few WWII vets
(my own father was flying combat missions at the same time as ol' Art was),
and I hold every one of them in a hell of a lot more esteem than I do Art.
The last time Art got hammered by a number of folks in the group he cried
foul and said he was taking his ball and going home--no more RAM for him
(remindful of Nixon's little Checkers speech)! The group did not suffer much
during his (short) absense.

Brooks

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Dammit Brooks, just killfile him and be done with it. Then you won't see
his posts and none of us will see your posts hollering at the old fart.

George

ArtKramr wrote:




The one thing that drives me up a wall and causes me to lose my temper is when
I get lectured on by guys who never flew
anything and never fired a shot in anger.

Arthur Kramer



In all the years you have been entertaining me I don't recall anyone
posting an attempt to tell you "what it was really like up there". I do
recally you lecturing anyone who you think did not engage in combat in
WWII.

Dave

"George Shirley" wrote in message
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Kevin Brooks wrote:


Dammit Brooks, just killfile him and be done with it. Then you won't see
his posts and none of us will see your posts hollering at the old fart.

You still see Kevin the noise generator's posts?

"ArtKramr" wrote

Don't you wish you could say the same "crap" Bitter jealousy is not a pretty
sight. Right wannabee?

Take your Geritol, boy.

"George Shirley" wrote in message
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Kevin Brooks wrote:
"Moose" wrote in message
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snip

Sure he can be casutic and his pig headedness just a bit too much to

handle

at times, but the fact remains, "he was there" and we were not!


But Art has made a habit of not only extolling his "I was there" crap,
but
has gone so far as to claim that others who were elsewhere following the
orders they were given somehow don't rate the same level of respect that
he
claims to deserve. In the end it gets rather disgusting, and I keep
wondering if ol' Art did not have to have an escort with him when he
dropped
by the maintenance, supply, etc., areas, where those "less equal pigs"
would
like as not have left him needing dentures while he was still learning
to
shave had he been expressing the kind of crap regarding their service
that
he has in this NG over the past few years. Maybe if they had been able
to do
so then he might not be the self-centered SOB that he has turned out to
be.

Even if f

you ignore everything he says about post-war military aviation, Art
still
makes a valuable contribution to this site.


At one time long, long ago I agreed with you. In fact, one of my first
posts
to this NG was offered in his defense--how naive I was! Even his WWII
info
is questionable, since he has also assured us that his unit *never*
missed a
target (one hell of an exploit for a bomber unit during that war--my
father's outfit could not claim that much, and in reality no unit
could),
that the CEP for their bombs rivaled that of our current PGM's, etc. He
starts an OT thread on day, then climbs on his high horse the next day
and
bemoans OT threads...and immediately starts *another* OT thread the day
after that. All in all, he has turned into a bitter little man who in
his
mind must belittle the efforts of all others in order to reinforce his
own
suffering ego. I have been privaledged to have known quite a few WWII
vets
(my own father was flying combat missions at the same time as ol' Art
was),
and I hold every one of them in a hell of a lot more esteem than I do
Art.
The last time Art got hammered by a number of folks in the group he
cried
foul and said he was taking his ball and going home--no more RAM for him
(remindful of Nixon's little Checkers speech)! The group did not suffer
much
during his (short) absense.

Brooks

snip



Dammit Brooks, just killfile him and be done with it. Then you won't see
his posts and none of us will see your posts hollering at the old fart.

"Dammit George", if you want to killfile someone, including me, do so, and
be gone. OK?

Brooks


George

In message , ArtKramr
writes
Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Kevin Brooks"
LOL! I have served more years in uniform than you did. What a fool.

It's not how long you served. It is what you did while serving. Tell us about
your 20 years behind a desk in Ohio.

Art, Kevin Brooks is often irritating but still well worth listening to.
It's not his fault that he wasn't sent to a war while he was serving; I
had the same problem and was quite glad of it. Willing to go if ordered,
but my mother raised no fools.

He's got a good and varied depth of experience: I can't confirm "he was
in location X with unit Y at time Z" but I _can_ confirm that he knows
what he's talking about on a good range of subjects. That's one reason
he and I argue a lot: we both know what we're talking about, we just see
it from different angles.




(Kevin, cut Art some slack. He's old, grumpy and often arrogant, but
also well worth listening to on the areas he knows. Or else put him in a
killfile and ignore him.)




--
When you have to kill a man, it costs nothing to be polite.
W S Churchill

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , ArtKramr
writes
Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Kevin Brooks"
LOL! I have served more years in uniform than you did. What a fool.

It's not how long you served. It is what you did while serving. Tell us
about
your 20 years behind a desk in Ohio.

Art, Kevin Brooks is often irritating but still well worth listening to.

No.

ubject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 1/31/04 9:06 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 1/31/04 11:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: George Patton Jr is not George Patton III
From: "Kevin Brooks"
Date: 1/31/04 10:07 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"Dave Holford" wrote in message
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ArtKramr wrote:



How how hell would you know., You never led men anywhere.




Just out of idle curiosity, since this off topic thread seems likely
to
continue, where and when did you lead men into combat? From what I
have
seen of your postings your most common reference to leadership seems
to
have been "I did as I was told."

Compared to BUFDRVR who, IIRC, has indeed "led men into combat" as an
AC.
Art continues to baffle and dismay.

Brooks



Dave



Since you did nothing you are out of the loop.

LOL! I have served more years in uniform than you did. What a fool.

Brooks

Arthur Kramer



It's not how long you served. It is what you did while serving. Tell us
about
your 20 years behind a desk in Ohio.

The only military duty I ever did in Ohio was to serve as the OIC of the
burial detail for a young soldier from the 3rd Ranger Battalion who had
wrapped his car around a telephone pole, leaving behind his wife pregnant
with their first (only) child. You do pick lousy examples for your snide and
off-target barbs, don't you? You are one sad sack of fecal matter,
regardless of your service during WWII.

Brooks



Arthur Kramer



Then why do you read everything I write and hang on every word. Then answer at
length deeply involved in my every post as though you have been waiting for
each one?. Tell me wannabbee, why?



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer