Air France Black Box ResultsPilot Error

In article ,
James Robinson wrote:

"vaughn" wrote:

"The pilots of an Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean
two years ago apparently became distracted with faulty airspeed
indicators and failed to properly deal with other vital systems,
including adjusting engine thrust, according to people familiar with
preliminary findings from the plane's recorders."

An unfortunate rush to judgement on the part of the media. The aircraft
appears to have had major systems fail, and the pilot is blamed for not
being able to deal with it. There is even some question that Air France
trains the pilots on how to handle such problems.

Maybe system failure or inadequate training is more to blame, and the
pilots were simply the victims?

Scuttlebutt is that a Northwest crew faced a similar problem (in an
Airbus) but reverted to basics and flew the airplane, rather than try to
figure out the automated stuff. A good friend used to fly Airbusses for
American, but he did not LIKE them! He would rather fly Boeings.

Orval Fairbairn wrote:

In article ,
James Robinson wrote:

"vaughn" wrote:

"The pilots of an Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic
Ocean two years ago apparently became distracted with faulty
airspeed indicators and failed to properly deal with other vital
systems, including adjusting engine thrust, according to people
familiar with preliminary findings from the plane's recorders."

An unfortunate rush to judgement on the part of the media. The
aircraft appears to have had major systems fail, and the pilot is
blamed for not being able to deal with it. There is even some
question that Air France trains the pilots on how to handle such
problems.

Maybe system failure or inadequate training is more to blame, and the
pilots were simply the victims?

Scuttlebutt is that a Northwest crew faced a similar problem (in an
Airbus) but reverted to basics and flew the airplane, rather than try
to figure out the automated stuff. A good friend used to fly Airbusses
for American, but he did not LIKE them! He would rather fly Boeings.

There have been similar incidents in other Airbuses and Boeings (777)
where the pilots managed to keep control of the aircraft. What was the
difference this time? Was it inadequate training, confusing cockpit
alarms and displays, the lack of outside visual references? Blaming it
entirely on the crew at this early stage is premature.

As for preference, it's a little like people's views about Ford or Chevy.
There really isn't that much difference between them, but there are
passionate defenders of both brands. There are many pilots who fly both
brands who prefer Airbus. The relative safety records for thousands of
aircraft of both types are quite similar, so there is no systemic reason
to complain about one over the other.

"Orval Fairbairn" wrote in message
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In article ,
James Robinson wrote:

"vaughn" wrote:

"The pilots of an Air France jet that crashed into the Atlantic Ocean
two years ago apparently became distracted with faulty airspeed
indicators and failed to properly deal with other vital systems,
including adjusting engine thrust, according to people familiar with
preliminary findings from the plane's recorders."

An unfortunate rush to judgement on the part of the media. The aircraft
appears to have had major systems fail, and the pilot is blamed for not
being able to deal with it. There is even some question that Air France
trains the pilots on how to handle such problems.

Maybe system failure or inadequate training is more to blame, and the
pilots were simply the victims?

Scuttlebutt is that a Northwest crew faced a similar problem (in an
Airbus) but reverted to basics and flew the airplane, rather than try to
figure out the automated stuff. A good friend used to fly Airbusses for
American, but he did not LIKE them! He would rather fly Boeings.

Automation has some opportunity to make things better or worse. Take
auto-throttles. Most commercial jets have some sort of automatic
throttling - change a setting and the throttles adjust. In a Boeing, you
adjust the setting and the throttle levers actually move. It makes it easy
for the pilot to do a quick scan or feel for verification or in unusual ops.
In an Airbus, on the other hand, the engineers seem to think that the pilot
is a redundant component in the cockpit and doesn't need any feedback -
auto-throttle DOES NOT move the throttle levers when they're adjusted. The
Airbus thinking seems to be that the computer is always right so don't argue
with it. There's a LOT more that makes Airbus less than a treat to fly.

If it ain't Boeing, I ain't going.

Have you catch the episode of aviation destroyed and cause of bee. A bee has build a small net on the rear side of wings. Just because of that simulator showing a wrong reading and pilot increased the speed though he know that something wrong is happening.