Germany Lost the War... So What?

From: (robert arndt)


The US postwar history:

Korea: stalemate
Cuban Missile Crisis: stalemate
Vietnam: LOST
Operation Eagle Claw (Iranian Hostage Rescue): Failure
Lebanon: Marines blown up- failure
Reagan-Bush years: a string of success shooting down a few Libyan MiGs
and attacking small puny nations with no AF- Victory?
Gulf War I: had to raise a coalition to fight another Third World
nation, didn't finish the job which leads to Gulf War II. Kurds and
population suffer as a result.
The Balkans: another attack on an unworthy adversary. Serbs leave with
their armor and military/police units intact. International force
needed.
Terrorist attack on the USS Cole: failed
9/11: could prevent terrorist attack, 3000 fatalities
Afghanistan: attack on another unworthy adversary. Taliban and Osama
escape into Pakistan. International force needed again. Failure.
Iraq prewar: Fires at US aircraft for 7 years, US retaliates in 1998,
Iraq resumes firing at US aircraft for 4 more years
Gulf War II: US goes it alone, captures Saddam but cannot get real
reconstruction support or troops needed to finish the job due to
isolating UN and certain European nations- failure

Wow, how underwhelming it all is. We seem to be able to pound into
submission any puny Third World nation without a significant AF. But
we don't dare strike Iran, N Korea, or China. In fact China openly
threatens the US over Taiwan and is militarily developing systems to
defeat our stealth, satellites, and to attack the US with missiles in
the future. Iran has threatened the US over its nuclear reactor and N
Korea has done the same over its nuclear program which we failed to
stop. BTW, try attacking the FSU even at its weakest... they have
twice the nukes we have and we all know the history of those that
invade Mother Russia. On their turf the US would lose, same in China.
So I don't care how many time you say Germany lost. Germany is the
size of 1 US state and took on the world. It took everyone with
everything to beat them.
The US in Vietnam was a Superpower giant with the greatest technology
on earth... and lost to peasants walking through the jungle at night
in pajamas armed with an AK-47, machetes, mines, grenades and RPGs.
The US may be the lone Superpower on paper but our track record
post-WW2 isn't that great.

Rob


I'll let other people point out your many errors in that list. Even if
everything you said were true how does it change the fact that you lost WW2?
Other than the Nazi party you had everything going for you. Yet you started a
war you had no hope of winning.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

Wow, how underwhelming it all is. We seem to be able to pound into
submission any puny Third World nation without a significant AF. But
we don't dare strike Iran, N Korea, or China.

Probably because there's no need to, at least yet.

Here's 'underwhelming' for you in that same period of time.

1. US economy - 11 trillion
2. Japanese economy - 4.7 trillion
3. German economy 1.8 trillion
4 and on down - a bunch of smaller economies, including China at 1.3
trillion.


The US may be the lone Superpower on paper but our track record
post-WW2 isn't that great.

Probably because everyone is too scared ****less to screw with us, you
ignorant clue****.

"t_mark" wrote in message news:LjUYb.27752$Zt4.9307@okepread01...

Wow, how underwhelming it all is. We seem to be able to pound into
submission any puny Third World nation without a significant AF. But
we don't dare strike Iran, N Korea, or China.

Probably because there's no need to, at least yet.

Here's 'underwhelming' for you in that same period of time.

1. US economy - 11 trillion
2. Japanese economy - 4.7 trillion
3. German economy 1.8 trillion
4 and on down - a bunch of smaller economies, including China at 1.3
trillion.

According to the World Almanac 2004:

1. US economy= 10.4 trillion
2. Japanese economy= 3.5 trillion
3. German economy= 2.2 trillion

Notice unfair comparison. US equivalent to EU.

01. Austria= 226 billion
02. Belgium= 298 billion
03. Denmark= 156 billion
04. Finland= 1.5 trillion
05. France= 1.5 trillion
06. Germany= 2.2 trillion
07. Greece= 201 billion
08. Ireland= 119 billion
09. Italy= 1.4 trillion
10. Luxembourg= 20 billion
11. Netherlands= 434 billion
12. Portugal= 182 billion
13. Spain= 828 billion
14. Sweden= 227 billion
15. UK= 1.5 trillion

That's a total of 11.091 trillion, more than the US economy.

The US may be the lone Superpower on paper but our track record
post-WW2 isn't that great.

Probably because everyone is too scared ****less to screw with us, you
ignorant clue****.

Uh, let's see. China ****ed with us over the air collision with their
fighter in 2001 not releasing the crew or plane immediately. China
openly threatens the US with nuclear cruise missiles in the event a
carrier battlegroup ever attempts to block an invasion of Taiwan by
China in the Taiwan Straight (but I guess you don't read the Asian
news, do you?). Iran threatened to shoot down any US or Israeli
aircraft that would attempt to bomb its reactor (but I guesss you
don't read the Mideast news either) and finally N. Korea threatened
all-out war over the US attempting any military attack against its
nuclear weapons program. The US did say it would not tolerate a N
Korean nuclear bomb but they just laughed in our faces and produced 8
more in addition to the 2 they already had. We did nothing and still
do nothing. Furthermore we are moving our troops in S Korea back from
the northern border since we know in the event of war N Korea will
barrage the south with massive artillery and missiles before
attempting to cross with their 1 million man army. Our plans- let the
South Korean soldiers bite it while we sit back further south an await
the order to strike back. Seoul, meanwhile, would be history.
You are the ignorant clue****.

Rob

From: (robert arndt)

Furthermore we are moving our troops in S Korea back from
the northern border since we know in the event of war N Korea will
barrage the south with massive artillery and missiles before
attempting to cross with their 1 million man army. Our plans- let the
South Korean soldiers bite it while we sit back further south an await
the order to strike back. Seoul, meanwhile, would be history.
You are the ignorant clue****.

Rob

Why do you say "our plans?" The Germans are not involved.

Go back to your UFOs. The Korean peninsula is a trigger point. If the North
invades or attacks the south the U.S. military doesn't have to wait for orders
from Washington.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

"robert arndt" wrote in message
om...
"t_mark" wrote in message
news:LjUYb.27752$Zt4.9307@okepread01...

Wow, how underwhelming it all is. We seem to be able to pound into
submission any puny Third World nation without a significant AF. But
we don't dare strike Iran, N Korea, or China.

Probably because there's no need to, at least yet.

Here's 'underwhelming' for you in that same period of time.

1. US economy - 11 trillion
2. Japanese economy - 4.7 trillion
3. German economy 1.8 trillion
4 and on down - a bunch of smaller economies, including China at 1.3
trillion.

According to the World Almanac 2004:

1. US economy= 10.4 trillion
2. Japanese economy= 3.5 trillion
3. German economy= 2.2 trillion

Notice unfair comparison. US equivalent to EU.

01. Austria= 226 billion
02. Belgium= 298 billion
03. Denmark= 156 billion
04. Finland= 1.5 trillion
05. France= 1.5 trillion
06. Germany= 2.2 trillion
07. Greece= 201 billion
08. Ireland= 119 billion
09. Italy= 1.4 trillion
10. Luxembourg= 20 billion
11. Netherlands= 434 billion
12. Portugal= 182 billion
13. Spain= 828 billion
14. Sweden= 227 billion
15. UK= 1.5 trillion

That's a total of 11.091 trillion, more than the US economy.

Wow. And it only took how many soveriegn nations to total up to the US?
Fifteen? Yeah, that really makes the US look weak... Given that the combined
populations of those fifteen nations was some 385 million people in 2000,
versus the US population of around 280 million, what does that indicate in
regards to per capita productivity and income?



The US may be the lone Superpower on paper but our track record
post-WW2 isn't that great.

Probably because everyone is too scared ****less to screw with us, you
ignorant clue****.

Uh, let's see. China ****ed with us over the air collision with their
fighter in 2001 not releasing the crew or plane immediately.

Did you really think we were going to go to war over that one? Neihter did
the Chinese. Idiot.

China
openly threatens the US with nuclear cruise missiles in the event a
carrier battlegroup ever attempts to block an invasion of Taiwan by
China in the Taiwan Straight (but I guess you don't read the Asian
news, do you?)

And China still refrains from conducting such an invasion; they are at
present smart enough to realize that tangling with the US is not a smart
move.

Iran threatened to shoot down any US or Israeli
aircraft that would attempt to bomb its reactor (but I guesss you
don't read the Mideast news either)

Whoopie. So what's new?

and finally N. Korea threatened
all-out war over the US attempting any military attack against its
nuclear weapons program.

Uhmmm...one country conducting a military attack on another is usually
grounds for war, didn't ya know?

The US did say it would not tolerate a N
Korean nuclear bomb but they just laughed in our faces and produced 8
more in addition to the 2 they already had. We did nothing and still
do nothing.

So all of that diplomatic stuff (being conducted with the PRC's
participation) is "nothing", huh? Odd how you condemn the US for not
continuing to pursue other means in regards to Iraq, but seemingly think we
should be streaming across the 38th parallel at the drop of a hat...

Furthermore we are moving our troops in S Korea back from
the northern border since we know in the event of war N Korea will
barrage the south with massive artillery and missiles before
attempting to cross with their 1 million man army.

And because the ROK Army is judged to be capable of handling the DPRK ground
attacks in this modern era.

Our plans- let the
South Korean soldiers bite it while we sit back further south an await
the order to strike back. Seoul, meanwhile, would be history.
You are the ignorant clue****.

No, you have again demonstrated an acute lack of reasoning skills. Quickly
now--which has more combat power, the combined assets of FROKA, SROKA, and
TROKA, or the US 2nd ID(-)? As to the future of Seoul... I'll bet you money
Seoul will still be a prosperous city long after Pyongyang is a ghosttown
at the current pace of events.

Brooks


Rob

Kevin Brooks wrote:

"robert arndt" wrote in message
om...

Korean nuclear bomb but they just laughed in our faces and produced 8
more in addition to the 2 they already had. We did nothing and still
do nothing.


So all of that diplomatic stuff (being conducted with the PRC's
participation) is "nothing", huh? Odd how you condemn the US for not
continuing to pursue other means in regards to Iraq, but seemingly think we
should be streaming across the 38th parallel at the drop of a hat...


Brooks, obvious that you just don't get it. Whatever the US does is
wrong. If we go to war, we shouldn't have. If we don't go to war, we
should have.

Please, do keep up. ;-)

"Michael Zaharis" wrote in message
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Kevin Brooks wrote:

"robert arndt" wrote in message
om...

Korean nuclear bomb but they just laughed in our faces and produced 8
more in addition to the 2 they already had. We did nothing and still
do nothing.


So all of that diplomatic stuff (being conducted with the PRC's
participation) is "nothing", huh? Odd how you condemn the US for not
continuing to pursue other means in regards to Iraq, but seemingly think
we
should be streaming across the 38th parallel at the drop of a hat...


Brooks, obvious that you just don't get it. Whatever the US does is
wrong. If we go to war, we shouldn't have. If we don't go to war, we
should have.

Please, do keep up. ;-)

Yeah, I keep forgetting that I am dealing with Arndt, a guy who tries to
justify German aggression during WWII while at the same time trying to
condemn the US for going into Iraq.

Brooks

In article , robert
arndt wrote:

According to the World Almanac 2004:

1. US economy= 10.4 trillion
2. Japanese economy= 3.5 trillion
3. German economy= 2.2 trillion

Notice unfair comparison. US equivalent to EU.

But the EU isn't a nation (thank heavens). Who would want to be a part
of a nation where Germans get a say in foreign policy, French in
defence, and the UK in healthcare?

Aetherem Vincere
Matt
--
To err is human
To forgive is not
Air Force Policy

That's a total of 11.091 trillion, more than the US economy.

Are you implying that the European Union has a "combined" GNP?

robert arndt wrote:
According to the World Almanac 2004:

1. US economy= 10.4 trillion
2. Japanese economy= 3.5 trillion
3. German economy= 2.2 trillion

Notice unfair comparison. US equivalent to EU.

01. Austria= 226 billion
02. Belgium= 298 billion
03. Denmark= 156 billion
04. Finland= 1.5 trillion
05. France= 1.5 trillion
06. Germany= 2.2 trillion
07. Greece= 201 billion
08. Ireland= 119 billion
09. Italy= 1.4 trillion
10. Luxembourg= 20 billion
11. Netherlands= 434 billion
12. Portugal= 182 billion
13. Spain= 828 billion
14. Sweden= 227 billion
15. UK= 1.5 trillion

That's a total of 11.091 trillion, more than the US economy.

"Unfair"?

Bobby, you crack me up. Get that mob in step (economically)
and then come talk to me.



Jeff