Low pass

On Aug 27, 7:22*pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
John - While I agree with many of your points...
BOTH of the accidents you mentioned above we
- outside of competition
- by non competition pilots
- by pilots "emulating the big guys"
Points to training, not banning passes...
Thanks,
Best Regards, Dave

PS: Not a new problem. Discussed in my 1987 article:http://www.nadler.com/public/Nadler_...g_May_1987.pdf

Your article is still a classic.

Nobody's banning anything here. Just talking about a maneuver, where
the danger points are (mostly the turn after the pass), and responding
to a previous post that wanted to know whether there have been
documented crashes.

John Cochrane

Very good article Dave!
Here in Australia we have a low level endorsement before low finishes are
allowed at contests [while keeping a 50' rule]
2km finish ring changes things as well, limiting the "need" for low level
over the airfield. After finishing a logical circuit onto the airfield is
needed, I was surprised at some "interesting" circuits at Uvalde by
experienced pilots! A growing average age and experience helps too.
Training for new comp pilots is the key.
Regards,
Tom

At 20:19 28 August 2011, John Cochrane wrote:
On Aug 27, 7:22=A0pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
John - While I agree with many of your points...
BOTH of the accidents you mentioned above we
- outside of competition
- by non competition pilots
- by pilots "emulating the big guys"
Points to training, not banning passes...
Thanks,
Best Regards, Dave

PS: Not a new problem. Discussed in my 1987
article:http://www.nadler.com=
/public/Nadler_On_Safety_Soaring_May_1987.pdf

Your article is still a classic.

Nobody's banning anything here. Just talking about a maneuver, where
the danger points are (mostly the turn after the pass), and responding
to a previous post that wanted to know whether there have been
documented crashes.

John Cochrane

Thanks Tom - Great to fly with you again in Uvalde.

I was surprised Oz isn't yet using a height-limited
finish cylinder (when I flew at Keepit in November).
Led to some interesting finish issues as this encourages
direct approach to landing...

Hope you guys adopt this approach as well !

Hope to fly with you again soon,
Best Regards, Dave "YO electric"

Very good article Dave!
Here in Australia we have a low level endorsement before low finishes are
allowed at contests [while keeping a 50' rule]
2km finish ring changes things as well, limiting the "need" for low level
over the airfield. After finishing a logical circuit onto the airfield is
needed, I was surprised at some "interesting" circuits at Uvalde by
experienced pilots! A growing average age and experience helps too.
Training for new comp pilots is the key.
Regards,
Tom

At 20:19 28 August 2011, John Cochrane wrote:
On Aug 27, 7:22=A0pm, Dave Nadler wrote:
John - While I agree with many of your points...
BOTH of the accidents you mentioned above we
- outside of competition
- by non competition pilots
- by pilots "emulating the big guys"
Points to training, not banning passes...
Thanks,
Best Regards, Dave

PS: Not a new problem. Discussed in my 1987
article:http://www.nadler.com=
/public/Nadler_On_Safety_Soaring_May_1987.pdf

Your article is still a classic.

Nobody's banning anything here. Just talking about a maneuver, where
the danger points are (mostly the turn after the pass), and responding
to a previous post that wanted to know whether there have been
documented crashes.

John Cochrane