Believe It or Not...

From: (robert arndt)
Date: 2/23/2004 7:59 AM Central Standard Time


In the entire time I've been at RAM (6 years)I've posted a lot of
photos and designs of extremely rare aircraft.

So have many others, so?

I'm willing to bet that
many of the regulars here don't like that because it ruins their
beliefs that the US invented everything in aviation. It must really
bug them when the US Govt. has to steal, pressure, borrow, or buy
foreign tech to maintain the cutting edge (which it doesn't possess in
all areas).

Rob

There are a few problems with your theory:

1) no one here has ever claimed all things aviation were invented by the U.S.
On the other hand you have said many times all advancements in aviation are
based on Nazi designs and technology. If that stretch were try then all
helicopters are based on D Vinci's designs and all winged aircraft are based on
a model bird found in an ancient Egyptian tomb that could actually fly.

2) The vast majority of the photographs and drawings were of aircraft that
never flew. You didn't have the technology during WW2 to make them work even if
you had the time and money. Example, you guys built a forward swept wing
bomber. Until materials and flight computers came along forward swept were not
successful in any degree.

3) Your incessent bragging about your disc aircraft being Nazi inventions is
an out and out lie. You have been proved wrong many times.

4) When pressed for proof of many of your claims you tell us the U.S. seized
everything and is still keeping it secret or you provide links to UFO rags.

5)) More claims as above where you claim you Germans invented/thought
up/designed/created or otherwise initiated all things aviation.

I know you feel bad about losing that war and feel you need to salvage
something from that regime, but give up already. You Germans DID invent and
design many aviation advances, do did the U.S., Italians, U.K., French,
U.S.S.R., Japan etc. Get over yourself.

Dan, U.S. Air Force, retired

In the entire time I've been at RAM (6 years)I've posted a lot of
photos and designs of extremely rare aircraft.

....in the context of "look at how great and wonderful the Nazi wartime aviation
industry was!" - that is certainly going to limit your audience.

I'm willing to bet that
many of the regulars here don't like that because it ruins their
beliefs that the US invented everything in aviation.

That's a bet you'll lose. What many regulars object to is your attitude that
America owes its current superiority to "stolen" Nazi-era technology - the
Nazis looted every country they brutally attacked and subjegated, so if you
have any complaints about the way your country was treated, go back in time and
complain to that little Austrian housepainter, not us.

It must really
bug them when the US Govt. has to steal, pressure, borrow, or buy
foreign tech to maintain the cutting edge (which it doesn't possess in
all areas).

No, what really bugs us is that you pretend that the Nazis created all of those
ideas out of whole cloth, without taking advantage of work being conducted in
other nations. _Everyone_ used advances that came from everyone else. If
Germany's technological superiority was so fragile and fleeting, perhaps AH
should have been content with the living room that he already had, and not
declared war on folks who knew how to crush his precious forces and hang their
most secret projects on the walls of our museums like so many mounted
butterflies.

Be proud of your country's accomplishments, but when you start to get cocky
about the past, it always comes back to this: due to Nazi stupidity, we are
having this conversation in English.

Gordon

====(A+C====
USN SAR

Donate your memories - write a note on the back and send your old photos to a
reputable museum, don't take them with you when you're gone.