"Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans"

http://www.snopes.com/photos/politics/kerry2.asp
Geez, must be 30 posts and nobody noticed that the photo was a fake.

I can't tell you how many people mailed me the "fishy" story about
Kerry, but that is a fake as well:
http://www.snopes.com/politics/kerry/service.asp

In fact, I have never ever been mailed one of these "mail it around to
your friends" stories that was true. Never. Nada. Zip.

Get over it people. Kerry was there, he fought, he was wounded. No
amount of dissing the man will make the other guy's AWOL story go
away.


(Mike) wrote in message . com...
Photo of Kerry with Fonda enrages Vietnam veterans
A photograph of John Kerry together with Jane Fonda at an anti-Vietnam
War rally in 1970 in Pennsylvania has surfaced on the Internet,
angering veterans who say his association with her 34 years ago is a
slap in the faces of Vietnam War veterans.
at http://www.washtimes.com/national/20...3002-8027r.htm

In article ,
(miso) wrote:

Get over it people. Kerry was there, he fought, he was wounded. No
amount of dissing the man will make the other guy's AWOL story go
away.

Nope - it's the actual *proof* that's been shown that made that one go
away.

--
cirby at cfl.rr.com

Remember: Objects in rearview mirror may be hallucinations.
Slam on brakes accordingly.

Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.
However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
his life long goal of an aviation career? No, it seems he was
grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
use connections to get out of the service.

The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
side with Kerry. Karl Rove needs to dish out more lies. Speaking of
more lies:
http://www.globalsecurity.org/org/ne...ense-kerry.htm



Chad Irby wrote in message . com...
In article ,
(miso) wrote:

Get over it people. Kerry was there, he fought, he was wounded. No
amount of dissing the man will make the other guy's AWOL story go
away.

Nope - it's the actual *proof* that's been shown that made that one go
away.

"miso" wrote in message
om...

Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.

How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?

However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
his life long goal of an aviation career? No,

Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and have
weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when it
was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when you
create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the base
clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are included
in the evaluation criteria, huh?

it seems he was
grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
use connections to get out of the service.

What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those duty
days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?


The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
side with Kerry.

Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then went
on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that whole
"Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his satisfactory
completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
feat?

Brooks

snip

Kevin Brooks wrote:

"miso" wrote in message
om...

Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.

How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?

However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
his life long goal of an aviation career? No,

Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and have
weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when it
was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when you
create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the base
clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are included
in the evaluation criteria, huh?

it seems he was
grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
use connections to get out of the service.

What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those duty
days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?


The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
side with Kerry.

Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then went
on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that whole
"Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his satisfactory
completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
feat?

Brooks

snip

Me.

Bob McKellar

"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
...


Kevin Brooks wrote:

"miso" wrote in message
om...

Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.

How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?

However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
his life long goal of an aviation career? No,

Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and
have
weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when
it
was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when
you
create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the
base
clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are
included
in the evaluation criteria, huh?

it seems he was
grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
use connections to get out of the service.

What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those
duty
days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?


The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
side with Kerry.

Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then
went
on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that
whole
"Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his
satisfactory
completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
feat?

Brooks

snip

Me.

No reserve duty obligation whatsoever, even after you were released from
active duty before your initial duty obligation was completed?

Brooks


Bob McKellar

Kevin Brooks wrote:

"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
...


Kevin Brooks wrote:

"miso" wrote in message
om...

Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.

How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?

However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
his life long goal of an aviation career? No,

Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and
have
weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when
it
was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when
you
create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the
base
clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are
included
in the evaluation criteria, huh?

it seems he was
grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
use connections to get out of the service.

What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those
duty
days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?


The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
side with Kerry.

Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then
went
on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that
whole
"Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his
satisfactory
completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
feat?

Brooks

snip

Me.

No reserve duty obligation whatsoever, even after you were released from
active duty before your initial duty obligation was completed?

Brooks


Bob McKellar


I got out early in 1971, having been commissioned in November 1968, giving me
just over 2 years active commissioned service.

I went to my new home and tried to forget about the Navy. I got one letter from
some Navy somebody or other telling me to go to drills, but I ignored it. The
only other communication I received was my promotion to LT., which gave me quite
a laugh at the time.

Several years later, when my circumstances were very different and I decided to
start drilling, I had been dropped from the reserve rolls, but it only took a
bit of paperwork to get me back in.

BTW, I had no "political pull" whatsoever.

Bob McKellar, reserve slacker, never shot at ( or even aimed at, AFAIK )

"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message
...

"Bob McKellar" wrote in message
...


Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then
went
on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that
whole
"Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his
satisfactory
completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many
other
early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that*
little
feat?

Brooks

snip

Me.

No reserve duty obligation whatsoever, even after you were released from
active duty before your initial duty obligation was completed?

Two years of active reserve is required for each year early out, but lots of
people never showed up for their obligations. I know another guy who never
shwed up and he got his honorable discharge in the mail. Standing nuclear
artillery in Europe left him afraid go back.

The bottom line is "fly boy" was grounded:
###
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgame...bid=3&pid=1257
Nor do these records explain why Bush, who had been trained as fighter
pilot, failed to take a flight physical during the year in question
and was grounded. Nor do they back up the 2000 Bush campaign's
explanation that Bush did not take a flight physical because he was
living in Alabama and his personal doctor was in Houston. (Flight
physicals are administered by military physicians, and there were
flight physicians at the base in Alabama where Bush says he served.)
###
Driving that plane, high on cocaine, Dubya Bush you better watch your
speed (and altitude)

As a bonus, here is a bit about the Bush lie squad, AKA Ted Sampley
http://www.chron.com/cs/CDA/ssistory.mpl/nation/2424667


"Kevin Brooks" wrote in message ...
"miso" wrote in message
om...

Proof? Well, he got some free dental work done if you call that proof.

How would an ANG member get such care without being in a duty status?

However, did he pass his drug screening test so that he could continue
his life long goal of an aviation career? No,

Sorry, but you are a year or two too early--drug screening had not
commenced, and according to the pilots who were flying at the time and have
weighed in on the subject (including Ed, IIRC) it was done randomly when it
was initiated a couple of years later. Kind of easy to condemn him when you
create your own little fantasy world to do so in which things like drug
testing that was not yet underway and NG personnel just dropping by the base
clinic whenever they felt like it to receive free health care are included
in the evaluation criteria, huh?

it seems he was
grounded. No use taking a test that will show drug use when you can
use connections to get out of the service.

What kind of "connections" were required that made him pile up those duty
days during that last few months so he *could* leave, and were they any
different from those used by the other pilots who were also getting out
courtesy of the glut of pilot qualified individuals with heaps more
experience then leaving active duty and looking for a Guard slot?


The problem is Bush* looks like the faux warrior when placed side by
side with Kerry.

Would that be the same Kerry who also left active duty early, and then went
on to serve as a reserve officer for a few years (while playing that whole
"Winter Soldier" gig, no less)? With no evidence supporting his satisfactory
completion of any reserve obligations during that period? How many other
early-release-from-AC officers do you know of who managed *that* little
feat?

Brooks

snip

"miso" wrote in message
om...
The bottom line is "fly boy" was grounded:
###
http://www.thenation.com/capitalgame...bid=3&pid=1257
Nor do these records explain why Bush, who had been trained as fighter
pilot, failed to take a flight physical during the year in question
and was grounded.

The Texas ANG was transitioning to a new airplane and they were not going to
fly the airplane GW flew anymore. You are posting luney suppositions to ram
..