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How did this secret information make it into the public domain? I've
been a practicing Aircraft Performance Engineer for the past 26 years and have always tried to explain how airplanes fly by using the official public explanations regarding Bernoulli, airfoils and other such rot. Civilians just weren't ready for the truth. In fact, we generally don't speak about the magic directly. Most of our plans and estimates usually end with the phrase "and then a miracle happens". Mike Lechnar Sarah Hotdesking wrote: I received this today:- There are still people in this company who think we weigh aircraft to find out how much they weigh, not to calculate stresses. Of course we need to know how much the thing weighs. How are we ever going to know how many Thrust Pixies we need to get the thing off the ground if we don't know the weight? Or should that be "Lift Demons"? Pixies have largely fallen into disrepute - something about Bernoulli not being representative in unbounded conditions and cause and effect being transposed in the Newtonian model. In fact the use of Lift Demons on civil aircraft programmes is generally not that good an idea. The Demon binding contract tends to specify payment in blood or souls. This is readily achievable with aircraft of military function, but frowned upon in civilian circles as they may attempt to acquire payment outside of the terms of their binding contract. Lift Demons are not used on Elf bombers. We don't talk about Lift Pixies too often as it seems to upset the self-loading cargo. Pixies require payment in cakes, flowers or nice thoughts. These are readily sourced either from the in-flight catering, or provided cost-free by the passengers. Clearly this would not work well within an operational military environment. Air force cooking is not renowned for the "light and fluffy texture" that Thrust Pixies demand, the availability of flowers might be problematic in desert operations, and nice thoughts may also be hard to find during times of active operations. There is also a scalability issue. While one rampant Lift Demon would have few problems supporting a fighter aircraft (particularly if there is an immediate prospect of blood), it'll struggle to achieve level controlled flight of a 560tonne Airbus A380. Use of more than one Lift Demon on the same flight vehicle is contra-indicated (they squabble and eat each other). Communities of Thrust Pixies can be encouraged to work together on the same aircraft by the provision of advanced technologies such as Lemon fondant icing, variegated tulips or in-flight romantic comedies. Ryanair once requested Leprachauns be installed in place of Lift Pixies, but leprechauns have a mission statement which indicates their desire for monetary gain, and their willingness to search all over the world for it. This makes Lift Leprechauns expensive to keep (gold vs lemon fondant icing), and makes it difficult to establish a regular route network as the Lift Leprechauns don't like to continuously visit the same locations. By law, aircraft also have to have a full complement of In-Flight Gremlins, but these are generally not a problem unless you feed the Wingtip Vortex Faeries after midnight. -- Sarah H http://www.messybeast.com http://www.shartwell.freeserve.co.uk...-site/aeth.htm Aethism - a religion for the 21st Century |
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Mike Lechnar wrote in message ...
How did this secret information make it into the public domain? I've been a practicing Aircraft Performance Engineer for the past 26 years and have always tried to explain how airplanes fly by using the official public explanations regarding Bernoulli, airfoils and other such rot. Civilians just weren't ready for the truth. In fact, we generally don't speak about the magic directly. Most of our plans and estimates usually end with the phrase "and then a miracle happens". snip More credit should be given to the fart fairies. For, without their bean eating and gas production, no machine could power itself from the earth surface... and the turbine winder rounder gnomes that hide inside those socalled engine nacelles from the public with their serious kerosine drinking problems.. The leading edge leeries that give the extra little push that keeps the nose up.. oh the pain the pain |
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"George" wrote in message m... Mike Lechnar wrote in message ... How did this secret information make it into the public domain? I've been a practicing Aircraft Performance Engineer for the past 26 years and have always tried to explain how airplanes fly by using the official public explanations regarding Bernoulli, airfoils and other such rot. Civilians just weren't ready for the truth. In fact, we generally don't speak about the magic directly. Most of our plans and estimates usually end with the phrase "and then a miracle happens". snip More credit should be given to the fart fairies. For, without their bean eating and gas production, no machine could power itself from the earth surface... Fairies tend to less concerned with good and evil and make better dual use aircraft. |
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On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:09:29 GMT, Mike Lechnar
wrote: How did this secret information make it into the public domain? I've been a practicing Aircraft Performance Engineer for the past 26 years and have always tried to explain how airplanes fly by using the official public explanations regarding Bernoulli, airfoils and other such rot. Civilians just weren't ready for the truth. In fact, we generally don't speak about the magic directly. Most of our plans and estimates usually end with the phrase "and then a miracle happens". I let the cat out of the bag over a decade ago. Here, in a sci.aeronautics posting from 1994, is the explanation of lift demons. It has since been elaborated a bit. Subject: Lift demons Mary Shafer ) explains lift: OK, here it is--the real, intuitively-obvious-even-to-the-lay-person explanation of lift. People, lift is caused by lift demons. These little, invisible demons hold on to the leading and trailing edges of the aircraft and lift it into the air by flapping their wings (so, in a reductionist sense, lift is actually caused by feathers). Some of the demons are a little confused and they hold on backwards, causing drag. The reason that planes stall at high alpha is that the leading edge demons get scared and let go when they can't see the ground anymore. Lift demons have good taste and don't like to look at ugly aircraft, so they hold on backwards on ugly planes. That's why gliders have so much lift and so little drag and why F-4s have lots of drag. John Wolter ) asked: What I would like is a simple *intuitive* explanation of what causes lift on a lift demon's wing. (Here we go again... ;-) Mary Shafer ) replied: Feathers. The multiple filaments on feathers trap the air molecules and they struggle to escape, which causes the action-reaction that we call lift. Bat wings don't have feathers but they're hairy and that works just about as well (air molecules are a little claustrophobic). And Richard Winterstein ) suggested another mechanism: It was originally believed smaller lift demons, who had their lift produced by even smaller lift demons, etc., as proposed by the great Greek philosopher/scientist Miasma. However, with the revival of scientific knowledge that eventually ended the Dark Ages, it was realized that this situation was unresolvable according to Zeno's paradox. Of course, the 'infinite demons' theory works in many problems of engineering significance, but a real understanding requires that the ether be introduced into the analysis at some point. The ether concept, of course, explains why planes fly more efficiently at higher altitudes, and, of course, is an absolute necessity when studying orbital and interplanetary travel, where (it is believed) many of the lift demons are unable to breathe. Hope that settles the question. And in a follow-up: Do shock waves act like cattle prods and make the lift deamons try to escape? Is why supersonic aircraft are so fast and so noisy. Why do blimps work? -D [Moderator's note: Blimps work because the lift demons can cling to the seams in the envelope and the wires for the advertising lights, of course. And there are specialized supersonic lift demons (they hang around Harley-Davidsons when there's nothing flying) that are a little noisy. Transonic drag rise/lift reduction is caused by the subsonic lift demons handing off to the supersonic lift demons, since there are only so many places for the demon to grab on. I'd never thought about the shock waves--any ideas out there? MFS] -- Mary Shafer Retired aerospace research engineer |
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actually, it is a very simple answer,
Money the more you throw at a plane, the faster/higher it goes. Matt Gunsch, A&P,IA,Private Pilot Riding member of the 2003 world champion drill team Arizona Precision Motorcycle Drill Team GWRRA,NRA,GOA |
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On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:38:31 -0800, Mary Shafer wrote:
On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:09:29 GMT, Mike Lechnar wrote: How did this secret information make it into the public domain? I've been a practicing Aircraft Performance Engineer for the past 26 years and have always tried to explain how airplanes fly by using the official public explanations regarding Bernoulli, airfoils and other such rot. Civilians just weren't ready for the truth. In fact, we generally don't speak about the magic directly. Most of our plans and estimates usually end with the phrase "and then a miracle happens". I let the cat out of the bag over a decade ago. Here, in a sci.aeronautics posting from 1994, is the explanation of lift demons. It has since been elaborated a bit. Subject: Lift demons Mary Shafer ) explains lift: OK, here it is--the real, intuitively-obvious-even-to-the-lay-person explanation of lift. People, lift is caused by lift demons. These little, invisible demons hold on to the leading and trailing edges of the aircraft and lift it into the air by flapping their wings (so, in a reductionist sense, lift is actually caused by feathers). Some of the demons are a little confused and they hold on backwards, causing drag. The reason that planes stall at high alpha is that the leading edge demons get scared and let go when they can't see the ground anymore. Lift demons have good taste and don't like to look at ugly aircraft, so they hold on backwards on ugly planes. That's why gliders have so much lift and so little drag and why F-4s have lots of drag. John Wolter ) asked: What I would like is a simple *intuitive* explanation of what causes lift on a lift demon's wing. (Here we go again... ;-) Mary Shafer ) replied: Feathers. The multiple filaments on feathers trap the air molecules and they struggle to escape, which causes the action-reaction that we call lift. Bat wings don't have feathers but they're hairy and that works just about as well (air molecules are a little claustrophobic). And Richard Winterstein ) suggested another mechanism: It was originally believed smaller lift demons, who had their lift produced by even smaller lift demons, etc., as proposed by the great Greek philosopher/scientist Miasma. However, with the revival of scientific knowledge that eventually ended the Dark Ages, it was realized that this situation was unresolvable according to Zeno's paradox. Of course, the 'infinite demons' theory works in many problems of engineering significance, but a real understanding requires that the ether be introduced into the analysis at some point. The ether concept, of course, explains why planes fly more efficiently at higher altitudes, and, of course, is an absolute necessity when studying orbital and interplanetary travel, where (it is believed) many of the lift demons are unable to breathe. Hope that settles the question. And in a follow-up: Do shock waves act like cattle prods and make the lift deamons try to escape? Is why supersonic aircraft are so fast and so noisy. Why do blimps work? -D [Moderator's note: Blimps work because the lift demons can cling to the seams in the envelope and the wires for the advertising lights, of course. And there are specialized supersonic lift demons (they hang around Harley-Davidsons when there's nothing flying) that are a little noisy. Transonic drag rise/lift reduction is caused by the subsonic lift demons handing off to the supersonic lift demons, since there are only so many places for the demon to grab on. I'd never thought about the shock waves--any ideas out there? MFS] But according to that theory, how do bees manage to fly, having no feathers or hairs on their wings? ;-) -- __________ ____---____ Marco Antonio Checa Funcke \_________D /-/---_----' Santiago de Surco, Lima, Peru _H__/_/ http://machf.tripod.com '-_____|( remove the "no_me_j." and "sons.of." parts before replying |
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machf wrote in message . ..
On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:38:31 -0800, Mary Shafer wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:09:29 GMT, Mike Lechnar wrote: How did this secret information make it into the public domain? I've been a practicing Aircraft Performance Engineer for the past 26 years and have always tried to explain how airplanes fly by using the official public explanations regarding Bernoulli, airfoils and other such rot. Civilians just weren't ready for the truth. In fact, we generally don't speak about the magic directly. Most of our plans and estimates usually end with the phrase "and then a miracle happens". I let the cat out of the bag over a decade ago. But we've moved on a great deal since 1994! It's been known for quite a while that Lift Demons are really only suited for military uses. Outside of military aviation, Lift Demons are passe - they have notoriously short attention spans and the ones used on Harriers have problems discriminating between air and water. Inbreeding in pursuit of the ultimate high performance Lift Demon may have been the cause. The way ahead lies with Thrust Pixies, large amounts of lemon fondant icing and in-flight Hugh Grant movies, at least in civil aviation. |
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"Moggycat" wrote in message om... machf wrote in message . .. On Sun, 14 Mar 2004 21:38:31 -0800, Mary Shafer wrote: On Fri, 27 Feb 2004 20:09:29 GMT, Mike Lechnar wrote: How did this secret information make it into the public domain? I've been a practicing Aircraft Performance Engineer for the past 26 years and have always tried to explain how airplanes fly by using the official public explanations regarding Bernoulli, airfoils and other such rot. Civilians just weren't ready for the truth. In fact, we generally don't speak about the magic directly. Most of our plans and estimates usually end with the phrase "and then a miracle happens". I let the cat out of the bag over a decade ago. But we've moved on a great deal since 1994! It's been known for quite a while that Lift Demons are really only suited for military uses. Outside of military aviation, Lift Demons are passe - they have notoriously short attention spans and the ones used on Harriers have problems discriminating between air and water. Inbreeding in pursuit of the ultimate high performance Lift Demon may have been the cause. The way ahead lies with Thrust Pixies, large amounts of lemon fondant icing and in-flight Hugh Grant movies, at least in civil aviation. Hugh Grant movies?! That's too high a price to pay for advancements in the civil aircraft sector! Ground 'em, ground 'em for good. |
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In ,
Jim Doyle radiated into the WorldWideWait: Hugh Grant movies?! That's too high a price to pay for advancements in the civil aircraft sector! Ground 'em, ground 'em for good. Who's Hugh Grant? -- From the one-and-only Holy Moses® |
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In om,
Moggycat radiated into the WorldWideWait: But we've moved on a great deal since 1994! It's been known for quite a while that Lift Demons are really only suited for military uses. Outside of military aviation, Lift Demons are passe - they have notoriously short attention spans and the ones used on Harriers have problems discriminating between air and water. Inbreeding in pursuit of the ultimate high performance Lift Demon may have been the cause. The way ahead lies with Thrust Pixies, large amounts of lemon fondant icing and in-flight Hugh Grant movies, at least in civil aviation. Thrust Pixies are fine for pixilated civilians and the Air Farce. Lift Demons were good in years past. But now, Naval Aviation is all Angel-powered. The very best ones are Blue Angels, of course. That's why they report their altitude as "angels twenty" or such... -- From the one-and-only Holy Moses® |
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