russian jet pilots in korean war?

id est..the design for the engine was stolen from the Brits. The design for
the aircraft was stolen from the Germans.


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how good were they against american pilots?

They were better than the Chinese pilots, and if you believe Soviet
claims,
they shot down near the entire production run of F-86s. g


of course they are nonsense. an american pilot was probably 5 times
as good as the best russian pilot.

Just out of curious how do you come out with the claim the American
pilot
was 5
time as good as the best russian pilot, I think you are talking rubbish.



One thing we do know...the Mig 15 was pretty useless unless it had the
British Rolls-Royce engine in it...which BTW, the design was stolen from a
German prototype. The Mig 15 wasn't really a Russian aircraft, it was much
more German in its origins.

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id est..the design for the engine was stolen from the Brits.

Not so much stolen as given away. The post war UK
government sold a small number of engines to the
USSR hoping for a larger order. All they did was
copy it.

Keith

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id est..the design for the engine was stolen from the Brits.

Not so much stolen as given away. The post war UK
government sold a small number of engines to the
USSR hoping for a larger order. All they did was
copy it.

To bad the SCO Group was not around then, eh?

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In message , "Keith Willshaw" wrote:

Not so much stolen as given away. The post war UK
government sold a small number of engines to the
USSR hoping for a larger order. All they did was
copy it.

To bad the SCO Group was not around then, eh?

Good thing for the Russians they didn't pirate software...or music CDs.

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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:33:54 GMT, "Stinky Pete"
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id est..the design for the engine was stolen from the Brits. The design for

Not stolen, GIVEN.

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On Sat, 06 Mar 2004 12:33:54 GMT, "Stinky Pete"
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id est..the design for the engine was stolen from the Brits. The design
for

Not stolen, GIVEN.

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id est..the design for the engine was stolen from the Brits. The design for

Not stolen, GIVEN.

Neither stolen nor given, but bought.

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No. Stolen. They bought a very small number from the Brits. They then copied
the design illegally, i.e. stolen.



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id est..the design for the engine was stolen from the Brits. The design
for

Not stolen, GIVEN.

Neither stolen nor given, but bought.

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No. Stolen. They bought a very small number from the Brits. They then
copied
the design illegally, i.e. stolen.

I thought they were given them rather than any purchase.

The Whittle design was done while he was a serving officer and so any
rights, patents, etc. rest with the Crown.

The UK government of the day didn't make an issue of it, and the person
responsible, the then President of the Board of Trade, is now dead, so we
can't ask him.

I should add that as he went on to become Prime Minister it obviously didn't
do his political career any harm either...

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No. Stolen. They bought a very small number from the Brits. They then
copied
the design illegally, i.e. stolen.

I thought they were given them rather than any purchase.


Incorrect they were sold a number of Nenes and Derwents, RR
and the board of trade were hoping for large orders but the
Soviets simply copied them

The Whittle design was done while he was a serving officer and so any
rights, patents, etc. rest with the Crown.


Incorrect, the initial patents were indeed lodged in 1930 when he was
an RAF officer but they were allowed to lapse in 1936 when
Air Ministry decided NOT to pay the fee of £5 required to renew them

Whittle got permission from the Air Ministry to found a company,
Power Jets which raised further patents under its control and funded
the development that made the engine workable. At this point the
Government stepped in, handed Whittles work and control of the
project to Rolls Royce and nationalised Power Jets leaving Whittle
with nothing.



The UK government of the day didn't make an issue of it, and the person
responsible, the then President of the Board of Trade, is now dead, so
we
can't ask him.


It was the height of the cold war by the time it was realised
what had happened and it was scarcely in the Governments
interest to let the country know the truth by making a fuss.

I should add that as he went on to become Prime Minister it obviously
didn't
do his political career any harm either...


Indeed.

Keith