Pentagon "lost" $1 trillion

On 11 Mar 2004 22:44:40 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

This just came to my mind. those 56 airplanes could be
those that were accounted by Russian intel agencies
as shot down in Yugoslavia and denied by pentagon.

Quite logical indeed. Pentagon can say what ever they want
to public but not to GAO inspectors.

ROFLMAO...ok...now we're cooking with gas....I couldn't wait for this guy to
bring this up. Hey...uhh...genius....the U.S. Army never flew any aircraft
(including helicopters) over Yugoslavia during Operation ALLIED FORCE. If you
anti-American conspiracy nuts would put as much time in research as you did in
building conspiracys, you may not sound as dumb as you do.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"


Are you kidding? If they did research we might never hear from them
again.

Scott Ferrin wrote in message . ..
On 11 Mar 2004 22:44:40 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

This just came to my mind. those 56 airplanes could be
those that were accounted by Russian intel agencies
as shot down in Yugoslavia and denied by pentagon.

Quite logical indeed. Pentagon can say what ever they want
to public but not to GAO inspectors.

ROFLMAO...ok...now we're cooking with gas....I couldn't wait for this guy to
bring this up. Hey...uhh...genius....the U.S. Army never flew any aircraft
(including helicopters) over Yugoslavia during Operation ALLIED FORCE. If you
anti-American conspiracy nuts would put as much time in research as you did in
building conspiracys, you may not sound as dumb as you do.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"


Are you kidding? If they did research we might never hear from them
again.

Shhhh. Ever wonder what happened to Mladen? The kid knew too much. The
black helos took him away in the night as he had intimate knowledge of
the 'missing' aircraft in the report. Mladen's website from 1999
claimed that he had a friend who knew the person in charge of the
Eastern part of Yugoslav airspace who had a video of 59 downed
aircraft! Maybe Michael can do some research on the video and track it
down for all of us to see?

TJ

(TJ) wrote in news:683ee26a.0403130524.4973118
@posting.google.com:

Shhhh. Ever wonder what happened to Mladen?

Gee I miss him! Solid entertainment value and no mistake. Perhaps he
finally managed to set up home in Venik's outhouse?

--
Regards
Drewe
"Better the pride that resides
In a citizen of the world
Than the pride that divides
When a colourful rag is unfurled"

Drewe Manton wrote:

(TJ) wrote in news:683ee26a.0403130524.4973118
@posting.google.com:


Shhhh. Ever wonder what happened to Mladen?


Gee I miss him! Solid entertainment value and no mistake. Perhaps he
finally managed to set up home in Venik's outhouse?

Did Venik go back to Russia?

Last I heard, he was supposed to be a fat cat driving a
Caddy running some sort of business here in the US, but
I figure there may soon be openings for political
commissar positions in Russia before too long.

Not much in the way of money, but lots of status!


SMH

Stephen Harding wrote in message ...
Drewe Manton wrote:

(TJ) wrote in news:683ee26a.0403130524.4973118
@posting.google.com:


Shhhh. Ever wonder what happened to Mladen?


Gee I miss him! Solid entertainment value and no mistake. Perhaps he
finally managed to set up home in Venik's outhouse?

Did Venik go back to Russia?

Last I heard, he was supposed to be a fat cat driving a
Caddy running some sort of business here in the US, but
I figure there may soon be openings for political
commissar positions in Russia before too long.

Not much in the way of money, but lots of status!


SMH

Still apparently living in the US:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/about.htm

"Venik
Philadelphia, PA
01/11/2004"

Back in 2001 he claimed the following:

"Subject: Venik is defiant but increasingly isolated...
View: Complete Thread (24 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Date: 2001-11-08 08:14:30 PST

I am not a foreign national and I do not accept welfare. I am a US
citizen and I work at a defense company. Get a clue.

Venik"

TJ

TJ, are you again being my personal biographer? I find it flattering, of course, but can't help wondering what's your real
job?

Venik
www.aeronautics.ru

"TJ" wrote in message om...
Stephen Harding wrote in message ...
Drewe Manton wrote:

(TJ) wrote in news:683ee26a.0403130524.4973118
@posting.google.com:


Shhhh. Ever wonder what happened to Mladen?


Gee I miss him! Solid entertainment value and no mistake. Perhaps he
finally managed to set up home in Venik's outhouse?

Did Venik go back to Russia?

Last I heard, he was supposed to be a fat cat driving a
Caddy running some sort of business here in the US, but
I figure there may soon be openings for political
commissar positions in Russia before too long.

Not much in the way of money, but lots of status!


SMH

Still apparently living in the US:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/about.htm

"Venik
Philadelphia, PA
01/11/2004"

Back in 2001 he claimed the following:

"Subject: Venik is defiant but increasingly isolated...
View: Complete Thread (24 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Date: 2001-11-08 08:14:30 PST

I am not a foreign national and I do not accept welfare. I am a US
citizen and I work at a defense company. Get a clue.

Venik"

TJ

"Venik" wrote in message ...
TJ, are you again being my personal biographer? I find it flattering, of course, but can't help wondering what's your real job?

Venik, you know my real job. It is to keep all those substantial NATO
losses covered up from dedicated professional researchers like
yourself! My team is literally on breaking point after all the
detailed research that you compiled. One of the hardest jobs is
covering up all the START accountable heavy strategic bombers missing
from the US inventory. Your research, I must say, was absolutely
fantastic g

http://www.aeronautics.ru/nws001/planesreturning.htm

Venik wrote:

"BUFFs

Now, let's get to the B-52 issue: the Pentagon announced that 11 of
these aircraft will be returning to the US. Here is the complete list
of those American aircraft that are expected to return to the US by
July 8, 1999:

"The Pentagon is ordering 300 of the aircraft it used in the Kosovo
campaign back to their bases in the United States and Europe. These
warplanes are returning to their bases in the next two weeks:
12 F-117s to Holloman Air Force Base in New Mexico.
2 EC-130s to Davis-Monthan AFB, Ariz.
4 EA-6Bs to Whidbey Island Naval Air Station, Wash.
3 EA-6Bs to Cherry Point Marine Air Station, N.C.
12 F-16s to Shaw AFB, S.C.
1P-3 to Brunswick NAS, Maine.
11 B-52s to Barksdale AFB, La.
6 B-1s to Ellsworth AFB, S.D.
27 KC-135 tankers to various bases.
26 F-15s to the U.S. air base at Lakenheath, England.
20 F-16s to the U.S. air base at Spangdahlem, Germany."
(source: ABC News)

A total of 18 B-52s were deployed to England at the beginning of the
aggression - 16 planes from 2nd Bomb. Wing (Barksdale AFB) and 2 from
the 5th Bomb. Wing (the latter two returned to the US earlier during
the conflict). CNN reported that all American B-52s returned to the US
(by "all" CNN meant 11.) This either means that CNN messed up or that
the 11 B-52s is in fact all that survived the war. Curiously, Serbs
claimed to have shot down or damaged five B-52s. Again, the math is
rather straight forward: 16 - 5 = 11."

entry #251: on May 13 at about 4:25 near Nova Pazova one B-52H was hit
by a SAM and crashed shortly after in the area of Dobanovci
entry #284: on May 20 at 3:03 a B-52H was hit over Borca (near
Belgrade), as was announced by Yugoslav government officials and
television.
entry #289: on the same May 20 at about 4:00 another B-52H was shot
down Mt. Cer, southwest of Sabac.
entry #301: on May 22 at 2:35 a B-52H was shot down over Lipovica,
near Belgrade.
entry #380: on June 7 between 0:12 and 0:40 a suspected B-52H was shot
down in the area between Slankamen and Indija.

http://www.aeronautics.ru/natodown.htm

Venik's B-2 compilation:

"20th of May -.Surcin, Belgrade B-2A Spirit of Missouri, ser. no. AV-8
88-0329. After a direct SAM hit, aircraft crashed near the village of
Dec,
Pecinci district, between Simanovci and Kupinovo."

"1st of June- Srem, Vojvodina B-2A shot down. Aircraft crashed into
Forest
of Spacva, eastern Croatia. According to the unofficial reports, the
aircraft in question is Spirit of Washington ser. no. AV-11 88-0332
but that
is still unconfirmed."

"8th of May - Airfield Petrovec, Skopje Heavily damaged B-2A, after a
direct
hit by Yugoslav air defense tried to crash-land but 'cut off' a
mountain top
instead and exploded."

"Reports that the B-2A, downed on May 20, 1999, crashed in the Spacva
forest
in Croatia are false. This information is being spread by certain
Yugoslav
officials (?) to divert public attention from the fact that B-2A wreck
is
being studied at the VTI research facility in Yugoslavia. As was
originally
reported, the aircraft crashed near Lake Obedska bara in the Dec
area."

"May 20 One American B-2A Spirit strategic stealth bomber (possibly
AV-8
88-0329 Spirit of Missouri) was shot down on 05-20-99 over Surcin at
01:00
local time. The aircraft crashed near the village of Dec (Detch),
Pecinci
county (in the field between Simanovci and Kupinovo; map 1; map2; map
3).
The flight of three B-2As (normally B-2A fly in pairs, one acting as a
backup for another) entered Yugoslavian airspace from the northwest
and was
escorted by several fighter aircraft (B-2As are usually escorted over
Yugoslavia by F-15C fighters and F-16CJ fighter/bombers in SEAD role;
every
mission of B-2As requires about 50 escort and support aircraft). The
B-2As
were detected by long-wave early-warning radars. The bombers reduced
altitude and attacked its targets in Belgrade. One of the B-2As was
hit by a
SAM in the area of the cockpit and crashed shortly after. Crew was
killed in
the crash. The incident was reported by Ilustrovana Politika magazine
on
06-01-99.

The loss of the B-2A "Spirit" on May 20, 1999, was confirmed by the
Foreign
Military Review magazine - the official publication of Russian Defense
Ministry. ITAR-TASS report here. Tanjug report here. According to the
latest
reports, the B-2A crashed near the Obedska Bara Lake in the Dec area
(villages of Simanovci and Kupinovo). An eyewitness report by a senior
Yugoslav army officer indicates that the B-2A was picked up by a radar
and
sustained a direct hit. The aircraft caught on fire and crashed not
far from
where it was intercepted by the missile. Parts of the B-2A, including
the
forward landing gear cover and pieces of the leading edge of the wing,
have
been seen at the VTI (Military Technology Institute) research facility
in
Yugoslavia. Reports that the B-2A, downed on May 20, 1999, crashed in
the
Spacva forest in Croatia are false. This information is being spread
by
certain Yugoslav officials (?) to divert public attention from the
fact that
B-2A wreck is being studied at the VTI research facility in
Yugoslavia. As
was originally reported, the aircraft crashed near Lake Obedska bara
in the
Dec area."

TJ

TJ wrote:

Stephen Harding wrote in message ...
Did Venik go back to Russia?

Still apparently living in the US:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/about.htm

"Venik
Philadelphia, PA
01/11/2004"

Back in 2001 he claimed the following:

"Subject: Venik is defiant but increasingly isolated...
View: Complete Thread (24 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Date: 2001-11-08 08:14:30 PST

I am not a foreign national and I do not accept welfare. I am a US
citizen and I work at a defense company. Get a clue.

Venik"

Ahh yes, now I remember. You've brought some old brain
cells back into the net.

Thanks.


SMH

Stephen Harding wrote:

TJ wrote:

Stephen Harding wrote in message ...
Did Venik go back to Russia?

Still apparently living in the US:

http://www.aeronautics.ru/about.htm

"Venik
Philadelphia, PA
01/11/2004"

Back in 2001 he claimed the following:

"Subject: Venik is defiant but increasingly isolated...
View: Complete Thread (24 articles)
Original Format
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.military
Date: 2001-11-08 08:14:30 PST

I am not a foreign national and I do not accept welfare. I am a US
citizen and I work at a defense company. Get a clue.

Venik"

Ahh yes, now I remember. You've brought some old brain
cells back into the net.

Thanks.


SMH

For me too, however I'm not sure that they're all that welcome...
--

-Gord.

This makes one sad that you don't know too much...

--
Venik
www.aeronautics.ru


"TJ" wrote in message m...
Scott Ferrin wrote in message . ..
On 11 Mar 2004 22:44:40 GMT, (BUFDRVR) wrote:

This just came to my mind. those 56 airplanes could be
those that were accounted by Russian intel agencies
as shot down in Yugoslavia and denied by pentagon.

Quite logical indeed. Pentagon can say what ever they want
to public but not to GAO inspectors.

ROFLMAO...ok...now we're cooking with gas....I couldn't wait for this guy to
bring this up. Hey...uhh...genius....the U.S. Army never flew any aircraft
(including helicopters) over Yugoslavia during Operation ALLIED FORCE. If you
anti-American conspiracy nuts would put as much time in research as you did in
building conspiracys, you may not sound as dumb as you do.


BUFDRVR

"Stay on the bomb run boys, I'm gonna get those bomb doors open if it harelips
everyone on Bear Creek"


Are you kidding? If they did research we might never hear from them
again.

Shhhh. Ever wonder what happened to Mladen? The kid knew too much. The
black helos took him away in the night as he had intimate knowledge of
the 'missing' aircraft in the report. Mladen's website from 1999
claimed that he had a friend who knew the person in charge of the
Eastern part of Yugoslav airspace who had a video of 59 downed
aircraft! Maybe Michael can do some research on the video and track it
down for all of us to see?

TJ