OT "Why is a picture ID opposed for voting?"

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote:

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The need to show a voter ID, or standard picture id (drivers license)
reveals, name, date of birth, address, drivers license # (if card is
used), at a place where the the voters name and address are found on a
printed list.

Yep, they already have most of that information which you supplied when
you registered to vote, so to get anything more they either have to
copy your ID or write the information down on an extra copy of the
voter roll, all without anyone, like the other ID checkers sitting
next to them, noticing.

You are creating a focal point for personal
information, a potential situation for a person/group of people to
steal information,

So once a year a gang of identity thieves is going to put a plant in
the local polling place and somehow steal personal information from
people with last names A-G while the other people behind the H-O and
P-Z signs next to the perp don't notice that something funny is going
on like accumulating information instead of just handing out ballots?

Puerile fantasy.

based on a mandate that all walk in voters share
personal information.

With one person who is supposed to do nothing more than match the ID
to the voter list and hand you a ballot.

If they are doing anything else, call the cops.

So to your example, it would appear, in an
effort to fight one fire, you placed a whole lot of flammables right
next to another fire, i guess you could feel good about one fire
fighting effort, until the other house explodes.

I think you are totally out of touch with reality.

You have to show ID at an FAA ramp check; aren't you afraid identity
thieves are going to start impersonating FAA officials to steal from
people with known higher incomes, i.e. pilots?

On Aug 16, 11:00 am, wrote:””snip
http://groups.google.com/group/alt.g...1c8836f56ead51

You incorrectly tried to isolate the argument, which contradicts your
blanket statement “Everything is subject to tampering”. Then you
ignorantly tried to argue the vetting was full proof and produces a
secure environment, which was proven false by my links, and
contradicted by your blanket statement. Then you argued that because
poll workers "take the whole thing very seriously", a secure
environment would be produced which has been proven false by my links
showing a breach of a secure environment, therefore based on your
logic some dont take the "whole thing seriously". Then you argued
that "anal little old ladies" would produce a secure environment, and
my link showed the "anal little old ladies" doing "funny business", a
failure in your vetting and a demonstration of your false sense of
security. My link showed that in spite of the presence of “room
monitors”, and the vetting process, and anal little old ladies a poll
worker left with the poll stole a “voter roster”, a camera phone image
would have less evidence. My links establish the ignorance of your
argument, while at the same time showing identity theft could
potentially be committed by poll worker(s) with good memory by
matching the stolen or digitally imaged voting roster to the ID’s
presented (date of birth, DL #). The point is by mandating the
presentation of personal information without protection at the polling
place, you are making it easier to conduct identity theft. I have
stated increasing the risk, and your weak attempts to marginalize the
risk have failed. My other links have shown the dangers of sharing
personal information in a public setting (shoulder surfing etc.),
which inherently means people should do things to reduce the risk, not
keep acting with a false sense of security. The "whoop-de-do" on you
part is that you know your argument of a secure vetted environment
have been proven to be false, and that was your childish way of
admitting so. Now your argument is an illogical assumption that if
the crime has not been committed it cannot occur, which is a false
sense of security based on ignorance.

http://www.policeandsheriffspress.com/vic/
"Welcome
Welcome to the Georgia Voter ID System website! This site has been
created for you the Georgia Voter Registrar. As you can see from the
menu there are copies of the Quick Reference Guide, Training Manual,
Frequently Asked Questions section, and Contact Information. We hope
that you enjoy using this site and find it to be helpful."

http://www.sfgate.com/crime/article/...tenced-for-ste...
"S.F. poll worker sentenced for stealing ballots...
He had with him multipage ballots, the voter roster, a memory card
that recorded the votes cast, a voting machine access key and a poll
worker's cell phone, police said. Nicholas was arrested at his home in
the Ingleside early the next morning, and about 75 ballots were found
in the lagoon two days after election day. He pleaded guilty in
December to unlawfully carrying away or destroying a poll list and
ballots, in violation of the state elections code"

https://www.privacyrights.org/fs/fs17-it.htm
"The crime of identity theft is on the rise. According to a February
2012 Javelin Study, identity theft rose 13% from 2010 to 2011. More
than 11.6 million adults became a victim of identity theft in the
United States during 2011. Identity theft was the number one complaint
filed with the Federal Trade Commission's Consumer Sentinel during
2011." Using a variety of methods, criminals steal Social Security
numbers, driver's licenses, credit card numbers, ATM cards, telephone
calling cards, and other pieces of individuals' identities such as
date of birth. They use this information to impersonate their victims,
spending as much money as they can in as short a time as possible
before moving on to someone else's name and identifying information."

http://www.businesscreditfacts.com/p...ource-Identity
"Beware of shoulder surfers. Protect credit cards, driver's licenses
and checks from wandering eyes.

http://www.privacy.ca.gov/consumers/...ty_theft.shtml
"Identity Theft
Identity Theft First Aid
Identity theft is taking someone else's personal information and using
it for an unlawful purpose (California Penal Code Section 530.5). It
is a serious crime with serious consequences. There were 11.6 million
U.S. adults who were victims of identity theft in 2011. That
represents 4.9% of adults, including over a million Californians. The
total cost of identity theft in 2011 was $18 billion. The average
victim spent $354 and 12 hours to resolve the problem and clear up
records."

http://its.virginia.edu/security/idtheft/

http://articles.latimes.com/2007/jan...tion/na-ohio25
"Ohio poll workers convicted
January 25, 2007
CLEVELAND — Two election workers were convicted Wednesday of rigging a
recount of the 2004 presidential election to avoid a more thorough
review in Ohio's most populous county. Jacqueline Maiden, elections
coordinator of the Cuyahoga County Elections Board, and ballot manager
Kathleen Dreamer each were convicted of a felony count of negligent
misconduct by an elections employee. They also were convicted of one
misdemeanor count each of failure to perform their duty as elections
employees."

In rec.aviation.piloting columbiaaccidentinvestigation wrote:

A bunch of rambling, run on, puerile, illogical nonsense, as usual and
posted it to a group where it has no relevance.