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Old March 17th 13, 07:17 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
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Default Aircraft takes off with no pilot...because of wind.

On 3/16/2013 11:42 PM, Chris Rollings wrote:
At 02:25 17 March 2013, Jeremy Keeling wrote:



I don't think the aircraft is a model haha, look at the relative size of
everything around it.
It seems to me that the CCTV camera would be looking towards an aircraft
parking area maybe? Or perhaps the other aircraft that were there had
already been tossed over and the person fetched his camera to catch the
last one...I dunno.


Up elevator only matters on a nose-wheel aircraft. Most empty gliders sit
with the tail-wheel or skid on the ground so elevator position is almost
irrelevant.


The comparable glider errors I see are leaving the tail dolly attached
to an unattended, unsecured glider; not putting the flaps into full
negative; and not turning the glider perpendicular to the wind.

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Old March 18th 13, 05:44 AM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Morgan[_2_]
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Default Aircraft takes off with no pilot...because of wind.

There was the wind event at Mojave in CA last year that had a 747 giving flight another go. Only enough wind to get the nosewheel off the ground thanks to the engines not being on the airframe any longer. I guess tying down that heavy of a ship doesn't seem necessary.

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cHhZwvdRR5c
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Old March 19th 13, 12:22 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
waremark
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Default Aircraft takes off with no pilot...because of wind.

On Sunday, 17 March 2013 18:17:17 UTC, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 3/16/2013 11:42 PM, Chris Rollings wrote:

At 02:25 17 March 2013, Jeremy Keeling wrote:






I don't think the aircraft is a model haha, look at the relative size of


everything around it.


It seems to me that the CCTV camera would be looking towards an aircraft


parking area maybe? Or perhaps the other aircraft that were there had


already been tossed over and the person fetched his camera to catch the


last one...I dunno.




Up elevator only matters on a nose-wheel aircraft. Most empty gliders sit


with the tail-wheel or skid on the ground so elevator position is almost


irrelevant.




The comparable glider errors I see are leaving the tail dolly attached

to an unattended, unsecured glider; not putting the flaps into full

negative; and not turning the glider perpendicular to the wind.



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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to

email me)


Re parking with the flaps in full negative - the ASH 26 manual tells you to put the flaps in neutral if leaving for a while. I wonder what the reason is - protecting the seals? I always do what I am told!

Mark Burton
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Old March 19th 13, 04:50 PM posted to rec.aviation.soaring
Eric Greenwell[_4_]
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Default Aircraft takes off with no pilot...because of wind.

On 3/19/2013 4:22 AM, waremark wrote:
On Sunday, 17 March 2013 18:17:17 UTC, Eric Greenwell wrote:
On 3/16/2013 11:42 PM, Chris Rollings wrote:



Up elevator only matters on a nose-wheel aircraft. Most empty
gliders sit


with the tail-wheel or skid on the ground so elevator position is
almost


irrelevant.




The comparable glider errors I see are leaving the tail dolly
attached

to an unattended, unsecured glider; not putting the flaps into
full

negative; and not turning the glider perpendicular to the wind.



Re parking with the flaps in full negative - the ASH 26 manual tells
you to put the flaps in neutral if leaving for a while. I wonder what
the reason is - protecting the seals? I always do what I am told!

Mark Burton


If wind isn't a factor, then flap 3 (neutral) is a good choice to
preserve the camber of the Mylar fairings. Still, I keep my glider in
it's trailer most of the time, using a bungey to hold the flaps and
ailerons in full negative so they don't flop around when towing the
trailer. The top Mylar lasted about 10 years before it needed replacement.

I don't think leaving it in negative (flap 1 or 2) during the occasions
it's sitting outside will significantly affect the lifespan of the
Mylar. If you put covers on it while it's outside, flap position
probably doesn't make any difference in the wind, so flap 3 could be
safely used.

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