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I'm so sorry for the loss to family and friends.
It appears that another SGS 2-32 spins in? This Schweizer is pretty unforgiving... Boggs |
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On Friday, May 3, 2013 8:21:53 AM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote:
It appears that another SGS 2-32 spins in? This Schweizer is pretty unforgiving... Only if your training was in 2-33s and didn't include spin training. The 2-32 will spin, but it gives you a little warning (not much), and recovers nicely once it departs. Kinda like a T-6, considered one of the best trainers ever built. Sad that we keep rediscovering our training flaws, assuming this was a spin-in. Which of course, it may not have been. Sad, regardless. Kirk 66 |
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Hand held radio, if unsecured can be a factor.
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Any reason to think that was so in this case?
At 18:42 03 May 2013, wrote: Hand held radio, if unsecured can be a factor. |
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On Saturday, May 4, 2013 8:31:58 AM UTC-5, Chris Rollings wrote:
Any reason to think that was so in this case? No. I just noticed mention of the handheld in the NTSP report and know that fiddling with a handheld on approach can be problematic. Matt Michael |
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On Friday, May 3, 2013 11:03:29 AM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote:
On Friday, May 3, 2013 8:21:53 AM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote: recovers nicely once it departs. Agreed but the 32s I've flown required positive forceful control inputs to initiate recovery. Virtually every other glider I've flown will begin to recover merely by relaxing back pressure and applying a touch of opposite rudder. The 32 is one of my favorite machines to fly but it's spin characteristics and recovery are somewhat unique. Whatever the causal factors in this accident it's terrible to lose yet another of our comrades. |
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It's a privilege to continue to learn from you Chris. :-)
MM |
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At 19:05 04 May 2013, Chris Rollings wrote:
At 14:55 04 May 2013, wrote: On Friday, May 3, 2013 11:03:29 AM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote: On Friday, May 3, 2013 8:21:53 AM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote: =20 recovers nicely once it departs. Agreed but the 32s I've flown required positive forceful control inputs to = initiate recovery. Virtually every other glider I've flown will begin to r= ecover merely by relaxing back pressure and applying a touch of opposite ru= dder. The 32 is one of my favorite machines to fly but it's spin characteri= stics and recovery are somewhat unique. Whatever the causal factors in thi= s accident it's terrible to lose yet another of our comrades. A fairly large number of German single-place glass gliders have similar characteristics, albeit with somewhat lower control forces but the same deflections required, particulary with the C of G in the aft part of the range. Which ones Chris? Both gliders I have owned come out just by thinking about it. Discus B and ASW27. Jim |
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At 06:32 05 May 2013, Jim White wrote:
At 19:05 04 May 2013, Chris Rollings wrote: At 14:55 04 May 2013, wrote: On Friday, May 3, 2013 11:03:29 AM UTC-5, kirk.stant wrote: On Friday, May 3, 2013 8:21:53 AM UTC-7, Waveguru wrote: =20 recovers nicely once it departs. Agreed but the 32s I've flown required positive forceful control inputs to = initiate recovery. Virtually every other glider I've flown will begin to r= ecover merely by relaxing back pressure and applying a touch of opposite ru= dder. The 32 is one of my favorite machines to fly but it's spin characteri= stics and recovery are somewhat unique. Whatever the causal factors in thi= s accident it's terrible to lose yet another of our comrades. A fairly large number of German single-place glass gliders have similar characteristics, albeit with somewhat lower control forces but the same deflections required, particulary with the C of G in the aft part of the range. Which ones Chris? Both gliders I have owned come out just by thinking about it. Discus B and ASW27. Jim LS7, Ventus B & C (couldn't fit in the A so never tried it), ASW20 and ASW24 (only at aft C of G), lots of others. |
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