Hot Spark Ignition

- Barnyard BOb - a écrit:



In the marketplace....
The magneto remains a very intelligent
and viable choice for most GA missions.

Right, but for better value ratio, I choose automotive CDI box, two
coil and I have a distributorless ignition ready to fly for ? value
of a new magneto.

I have two non shielded AM4 eisemann magneto and I don't realy want to
purchase a new Slick magneto neither a used Bendix.
I need to upgrade with EMI friendly ignition, a set of new magnetos or
electronic ignition from automotive parts. When I check noise on my
handeld VHF very near my car ignition, I find it is realy quiet.

I choosed and I will begin to flight before you wake up to morrow.


Against EMI emission, I choose resistor plug, resistor caps and
resitor cable. The radio is now clear of EMI emissions from ignition,
now I can install a fixed radio and a Xponder for busy aeras.

It is the first goal I acheived, the second is a little more fuel
efficiency, I need more range, and I think it's better to burn less
fuel than to take more fuel in a bigger tank. I work with the CAFE
and EAA printed reports about ignition during the '90s.

With this reports, I think it is possible to set more ignition
advanced (38-40° btdc) on full throttle for 65% power on altitude and
run leaner engine .

For engine controls I use an engine information system with 4EGT and
4CHT..... and flight engineer knowledge....



By
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minicab F-PRAZ
Philippe Vessaire Ò¿Ó¬

- Barnyard BOb - wrote:
beaming

Thanx for the back handed compliment, Ben Dover.
You're welcome, Mr. Urban.
When you have time, please funrish your list of "everybody".
Ah well, see that's where I'll have to go digging through the archives.
I don't really look forward to that. I used to be here (lurking,
occasionally posting) a lot, but then work and family issues took me
away from it. After a hiatus, I started visiting again, just after Tony
Pucillo died. That bothered me more than I would have thought such an
event might. I didn't know him like a lot of you did, having never been
sued by certain esteemed individuals, but Tony and I traded posts and
e-mails. So, after reading about his untimely passing, I didn't come
back for a while.

Then,I looked in a bit ago and read the message about Warren. I stayed
away for a couple more weeks.

Now, I'm by-God determined to stick it out. But I must admit that I'm a
bit worried that when I read the archives I'll find out that someone
else I "knew" died.

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Also..
This thread is for Hot Spark Ignition.
Got anything to add that's on topic?

Actually, I do, but now that I've rambled on about other things, I don't
have time to type it. I have to go pick up my kid from day care,
because Mom is off helping the her company help the ATF. Maybe, if I
can fit it in, I'll say something on topic later.

B.S.

On 17 Nov 2003 08:31 AM, Ben Sego posted the following:

Bob, I know you're one of the old hands here at
deja.yahoo.flamebait.experimental, and its great to read a lot of your
stuff. But GD, did I miss something significant in the couple of
years I was away, such that everybody started ****ing on you, or did
you get touchy? I'll go back and read the archives when I have time,
but for now, I'm just happy to have enough time to check in again.

Ben "still not caring whether you all get along, just curious" Sego

All of the above. At this point who cast the first stone is less
important to the discussion than the matter of who has the biggest pair.

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Del Rawlins-
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I have been flying Klaus's unit since 97 it survived one crash and 160+ hrs.
It starts my 0320 in Canadian cold much better than the "Slick" mag. In
fact I start on the CDI and then turn the mag on after the engine is idling.
When I first put the engine together (with mags just re-built by a guy in
So. Cal with a great rep on mag o'haul) one of the mags shed it's impulse
coupler before I even got a burp out of the engine and if the engine had of
been in a horizontal mounting, I would have probably lost a good bit of the
accessory case.
Fuel efficiency? I flew my Safari helo for 2 hrs (hobbs meter) and couldn't
get any more than 12 gals in the tanks. No. I didn't set and idle for 1.75
hrs then go for a hop around the pattern. It was a cross country of 60
miles one way. Yes. I know the Lycoming operators manual tells me to
expect higher fuel consumption than that. But..12 gals was what the pump
said. Had a fouled plug on the magneto side. Could only detect it during
mag ck. No engine roughness with the CDI on.
I have had only one CDI ignition problem with Klaus's unit and it was caused
by a wire connection that I made. Hotter spark, better fuel efficiency,
lighter weight, fewer moving parts. The only thing stopping me from the
second CDI is $$.
Stuart Fields Safari builder, pilot, retired Electronic Engr. Also been
fooling with the experimental stuff since 1965.
"Larry Smith" wrote in message
...
A friend in Florida rigged up his own non-magneto ignition robbed from a
late-model motorcycle and installed it on his O-200-powered Murphy
Renegade.
If I recall correctly he has it set up to advance itself as much as 35
degrees. Any more anecdotes about nonstandard ignition boxes?

I want to use one on the IO-360 Continental. And did you know ---- full
advance timing on that engine is 20 degrees btdc? It doesn't seem right,
does it?

Lightspeed Klaus used to advance timing on his O-200 to as much as 45 deg.
btdc. I wonder if he still does. I was just reading Klaus's
denunciation of the magneto as something of an ancient relic. I think I
agree with him.

Hotter spark, better fuel efficiency,
lighter weight, fewer moving parts.

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Dear Stu (and the Group),

All true and has been since the late 1960's. But mention that fact to a
roomful of Conventional Wisdomites and watch what happens. (Come to think of
it, it happened right here, too :-)

As a point of interest, those sturdy little Scintilla-Vertex magnetos we usta
get from VW's Industrial Engine Division for $90 now cost $800. And a single
Slick, plus wires, plug adapters, mounting & coupler goes for a cool thousand.
By comparison a CDI system that gives a better spark and has a better MTBO
comes in at around $150 while the Good Stuff... a dual-coil waste-spark
'distributorless' system runs about $250.

All VW stuff of course, meaning it's below the Conventional Wisdomite radar but
it's surprising how many Lyc's and Continentals are using such systems.

-R.S.Hoover

Ben Sego wrote:

- Barnyard BOb - wrote:
beaming

Thanx for the back handed compliment, Ben Dover.
You're welcome, Mr. Urban.
When you have time, please funrish your list of "everybody".
Ah well, see that's where I'll have to go digging through the archives.
I don't really look forward to that. I used to be here (lurking,
occasionally posting) a lot, but then work and family issues took me
away from it.

B.S.
++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++++

What gives, BS?
Perhaps I'm reading you all wrong, but...

You keep insisting you have little precious time
for the r.a.h. group but yet insist on making me
the 'object of your affection' now and it looks like
into the future... now that you are "back".

I really don't give a rat's ass about you digging for
dirt about me in the archives and I doubt that anyone
else does, either. Why you should return as a man
on a mission gunning for me or anyone puts you in
a sad class all by yourself and has no place in this
newsgroup.

Perhaps you should take a deep breath, examine
your priorities and read what Holger has recently
written. If you continue to shadow me, I believe you
may find it a less than pleasant or rewarding experience.
This is rec.aviation.homebuilt, not wreck.bob.urban.
If you carry through with what is beginning to look
like personal harassment of me, I can assure you,
your ISP will receive a copy of every nuance you
utter in this group.

Have a nice day and attempt to enjoy some
healthy dialog with the others, if you can.


Barnyard BOb --
The more people I meet,
the more I love my dog
and George Carlin humor.

From the auto engine and motorcycle engine builders, and experimenters,
great benefits for the aircraft engine: nikasil cylinders; lightweight
starters, generators and alternators; carbon
fiber and composite propellers; modern fuel injection systems; Ellison TB
injector
and other variable venturi carbs;
ignition boxes by Lightspeed and Electroair; porting, flow-matching, and
balancing,

auto engines with good reps: subaru, vw, mazda rotary, bmw mcy engines,
suzuki sprint 3-cylinder

Engines I'm familiar with and don't like in airplanes: Franklin, Corvair,
any 2-stroke, 65-horse Lycoming (which never even made 60 horses in its best
day below sea level and could be best used as a boat anchor); Jabiru;
Revmaster; Trabant;
GO-300; Tigre (junk); Menasco (junk)

Fascinating new developments: diesel engines, like the Thielert and Zoche.

Other great engines: Ranger inline, Continental and Lycoming radials,
Vedeneyev, P&W, Jacobs (shaky Jake), Szekely, Warner, Wright, etc.

Favorite engine: Rolls-Royce Merlin which powered the P-51 Mustang:
plenty of horsepower, liquid cooled, supercharged, very efficient for its
time, still winning, at Reno

This was my outline but I had to git this a. m. I wanted to rant a little
about having to pay such high prices for certified props when you can buy a
s-o-t-a Warp Drive for $600. Now wouldn't that pull your little
Taylorcraft along at a zippy pace? They're doing it legally --- hanging
carbon fiber propellers on A-65's and C-85's pulling certified aircraft ---
in Canada and in other countries but in the USA, oooo noooooooooo, can't
stand the progress.


"- Barnyard BOb -" wrote in message
...
On Mon, 17 Nov 2003 08:52:11 -0500, "Larry Smith"
wrote:

Doesn't *SEEM* right?

Ja, Bob, that's retarded, relatively speaking.

- Barnyard BOb - wrote:
Ben Sego wrote:

What gives, BS?
Perhaps I'm reading you all wrong, but...
Ah, well, perhaps I wasn't being clear.

written. If you continue to shadow me, I believe you
may find it a less than pleasant or rewarding experience.
I didn't mean to shadow you. Let me try again:

I used to follow RAH regularly, and post occasionally. I followed your
posts because 1.) They frequently had good information in them, and 2.)
they were sometimes funny. In that order; and thanks for both.

I'm interested in the idea of auto conversions, electronic ignition, and
electronic fuel injection. I _want_ those things to work out for the
homebuilt community. You have strong opinions on those issues, and a
lot of what you have written has made sense. It's made me question my
own position; rational discourse is a good thing.

This is rec.aviation.homebuilt, not wreck.bob.urban.

Got it. But you have to admit that it's kinda catchy.

If you carry through with what is beginning to look
like personal harassment of me, I can assure you,
your ISP will receive a copy of every nuance you
utter in this group.

I apologize if it looked like harassment; it certainly wasn't meant to
be that. When I said I would be "digging through the archives" and then
said "I [didn't] really look forward to that" I didn't mean that I
intended to go dig dirt on you. Those statements, and the wandering bits
that followed were meant to express these thoughts and feelings:

1. I used to follow this newsgroup.
2. I enjoyed doing that.
3. I haven't followed it in a couple of years.
4. Two times over the past two or so years when I did read the
newsgroup, I found out that one of the regulars had died.
5. I understand that instead of asking about past issues in a newsgroup,
you should search the archives first.
6. I obviously have missed much that went on here, and I can find out
about it by being told by someone who followed the group, or I can read
about it in the archives.
7. I am apprehensive that reading the archives will reveal more bad news
about regulars.

In my previous post, I said:

"But GD, did I miss something significant in the couple of years I was
away, such that everybody started ****ing on you, or did you get touchy?"

Here is why I said that:
1. Your posts have been prevalent in some of the more acrimonious
exchanges recently.
2. I may have missed a significant issue (or at least a flame war) that
would explain some issues behind the exchanges, as I have in the past.
(Juan doesn't count; him I know about.)
3. By asking this question I might receive a useful answer from someone
about a topic to google out of the archives, as I have in the past. Two
years ago, Sydney told me to look up "galactically stupid." (You know,
that's pretty funny, written that way.) I was hoping there might be some
similar direction from someone.

That's what I meant. I apologize for any offense. If there's anything I
didn't cover that you do "give a rat's ass" about, let me know. Direct
e-mail works, or post here, or whatever. If there's something I'm doing
wrong, I'll certainly stop. My office contact information is on my
company website: www.methodin.com

I understand that in a dispute, it's not the responsibility of the
agrieved party to set things right. But it is helpful to the offender
to be told about the offense. So, if I'm doing the wrong thing, please
consider telling me what it is, so I can stop the offensive behavior.

B.S.

a dual-coil waste-spark
'distributorless' system runs about $250.

All VW stuff of course

Have I missed something good on the market or are you refereing to
"distributorless" system that still uses the distributor drive, 2 pichups, dual
coils........just no cap-n-rotor?

http://www.compufire.com/pages/vw-products-main.html

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Then,I looked in a bit ago and read the message about Warren. I stayed
away for a couple more weeks.


Which one was that? And why would it keep you away?

And while I am asking, why are some people surprised when others take offense
at being called names or are otherwise insulted or been rude to?

I have to believe it is a clash of cultures.
I am a Southener. Taught manners and the necessity of being civil in order to
live in peace with my fellow man. I would never call a stranger a vulgar name,
comment on his wife or PU truck etc. Unless, of course, I was ready to fight
him. When I give a person my word, I am honor bound by it. More so than a piece
of paper I might sign.
People from other parts of the country have a different take on life, it seems.

I stand when a woman enters the room, take off my hat/cap when in an elevator
with women aboard whereas in Chicago and some other places I have lived, to
give up your seat to a woman on the El or bus seems to be a sign of weakness.

Straight off the farm and off to Bainbridge MD Naval Bootcamp, 1944, I was
shocked to hear a NY type fellow call a lanky, rawbone fellow from Arkansas,
IIRC, a dumb HB or some such and not at all surprised when the Rebel decked
him. The Yankee was surprised, tho. After all, he had talked that way all his
life and for someone to take offense was unheard of where he came from.
I realize we are all still feeling our way in this new medium of communicating
and sooner or later we will all start conforming to the same standard.
My generation of the Old South will give way to others more tolerant than I and
the same will happen in other parts of the country. In the meantime, if you
insult me or call me names, I will just shake my head and try to smile. But I
cannot help thinking of you as an enemy from then on..
I wish you luck with your project, Mr Sego, and if I can help in any way, eMail
or post here.

Warren