ID question: hornet or super-hornet?

Seeing a couple fly over one at a time this weekend leads me to ask:

Is there any easy way to tell a plain-old Hornet from a Super-hornet if
it's alone in the sky? I know the E/F's are bigger, but, that ain't
much help without the other one next to it.

Is this one where you just have to really know what to look for?

--
Jim Battista
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:00:16 -0000, Jim Battista wrote:

Is this one where you just have to really know what to look for?

The inlets - rounded on the Hornet, square on the Super Hornet.

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Yeff wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:00:16 -0000, Jim Battista wrote:


Is this one where you just have to really know what to look for?


The inlets - rounded on the Hornet, square on the Super Hornet.

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Bug has an s-shaped LERX leading edge, while the Super-bug has one that
has almost a constant radius curve.

"Michael Zaharis" wrote in message
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Yeff wrote:
On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:00:16 -0000, Jim Battista wrote:


Is this one where you just have to really know what to look for?


The inlets - rounded on the Hornet, square on the Super Hornet.

-Jeff B.
yeff at erols dot com

Bug has an s-shaped LERX leading edge, while the Super-bug has one that
has almost a constant radius curve.

Which fixes the tail wash out problems at high alpha. (23 degrees +) It
would be interesting to know what the static pitch stability of the Super
Bug is as a percentage.

Yeff wrote in
:

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:00:16 -0000, Jim Battista wrote:

Is this one where you just have to really know what to look for?

The inlets - rounded on the Hornet, square on the Super Hornet.

Ah -- that I might be able to spot. I don't think I'd be able to
tell one kind of wing-front-thingy from the other unless both were in
front of me.

Still dunno what they were that flew over me Saturday though -- don't
see many military aircraft in sunny Denton TX. Sometimes I miss
being a kid back at Ramstein or, dare I say, even Hahn, going out on
the balcony and watching the F-4s take off on afterburner in 2- and
4-ships...

--
Jim Battista
A noble spirit embiggens the smallest man.

"Jim Battista" wrote in message
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Yeff wrote in
:

On Mon, 19 Apr 2004 21:00:16 -0000, Jim Battista wrote:

Is this one where you just have to really know what to look for?

The inlets - rounded on the Hornet, square on the Super Hornet.

Ah -- that I might be able to spot. I don't think I'd be able to
tell one kind of wing-front-thingy from the other unless both were in
front of me.

Still dunno what they were that flew over me Saturday though -- don't
see many military aircraft in sunny Denton TX. Sometimes I miss
being a kid back at Ramstein or, dare I say, even Hahn, going out on
the balcony and watching the F-4s take off on afterburner in 2- and
4-ships...

They are probably just down demonstrating for the USAF F/A-18 buy.

Jim Battista wrote:

Still dunno what they were that flew over me Saturday though -- don't
see many military aircraft in sunny Denton TX. Sometimes I miss
being a kid back at Ramstein or, dare I say, even Hahn, going out on
the balcony and watching the F-4s take off on afterburner in 2- and
4-ships...

Ah... memories. I used to sit on the couch in my third-floor
living room in Hahn Housing's 14-B-3 and watch the noisy F-4s
pass first by the right window, then the left, taking off from
the runway a few hundred feet away, as B-327 curved around the
perimiter. Later, Vogelweh was too far from Ramstein to enjoy
the same treat.

John T. - Bitburg 75-77, Hahn 77-80, Ramstein 81-85.
(There's almost a year at Seymour Johnson in there,
too: 80-81.)

From: Dweezil Dwarftosser
Date: 4/20/2004 6:45 AM Central Daylight Time
Message-id:

Jim Battista wrote:

Still dunno what they were that flew over me Saturday though -- don't
see many military aircraft in sunny Denton TX. Sometimes I miss
being a kid back at Ramstein or, dare I say, even Hahn, going out on
the balcony and watching the F-4s take off on afterburner in 2- and
4-ships...

Ah... memories. I used to sit on the couch in my third-floor
living room in Hahn Housing's 14-B-3 and watch the noisy F-4s
pass first by the right window, then the left, taking off from
the runway a few hundred feet away, as B-327 curved around the
perimiter. Later, Vogelweh was too far from Ramstein to enjoy
the same treat.

John T. - Bitburg 75-77, Hahn 77-80, Ramstein 81-85.
(There's almost a year at Seymour Johnson in there,
too: 80-81.)

Ah yes, memories.... getting my teeth rattled while trying to sleep in a
baracks room facing the red section end of the runway at Hahn. 1978 - 1980

Dan, U. S. Air Force, retired

B2431 wrote:

From: Dweezil Dwarftosser

Ah... memories. I used to sit on the couch in my third-floor
living room in Hahn Housing's 14-B-3 and watch the noisy F-4s
pass first by the right window, then the left, taking off from
the runway a few hundred feet away, as B-327 curved around the
perimiter. Later, Vogelweh was too far from Ramstein to enjoy
the same treat.

John T. - Bitburg 75-77, Hahn 77-80, Ramstein 81-85.
(There's almost a year at Seymour Johnson in there,
too: 80-81.)

Ah yes, memories.... getting my teeth rattled while trying to sleep in a
baracks room facing the red section end of the runway at Hahn. 1978 - 1980

You might have gotten a little more than noise there.
Two Tab Vee spots in Red Section overlooked the base
chapel - where the SPs often lay in wait with a radar
speed gun. WCS toads would zap the crystals in the
speed guns with live pulse and CW at every opportunity.
It was considered a public service...

Jim Battista wrote:
Seeing a couple fly over one at a time this weekend leads me to ask:

Is there any easy way to tell a plain-old Hornet from a Super-hornet if
it's alone in the sky? I know the E/F's are bigger, but, that ain't
much help without the other one next to it.

Is this one where you just have to really know what to look for?


I can't answer that particular question, but you probably saw Hornets
from VFA-201 out of NAS Fort Worth JRB. I'm basing that on your
University of North Texas email address.

Strike Fighter Squadron 201, a reserve squadron from Fort Worth, flew
combat missions from the USS Theodore Roosevelt last year during OIF.
They led Carrier Air Wing Eight in target acquisition, destruction of
targets attacked, sortie completion rates, and landing grades(Top
Hook).

See you at the NAS Fort Worth air show next month.