Whose War? Patrick J. Buchanan - The American Conservative

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A neoconservative clique seeks to

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by Patrick J. Buchanan

There is nothing more ludicrous than Pat trying to distance
himself from neocons. Pat is the prototypical neocon, and
always has been. Big government, intrusive government Pat.

Which planet have you been on for the past few years? Uranus?

Buchanan is absolutely right -- Israel hijacked our foreign policy
the old-fashioned way: they bought it fair and square. Bribery works.
And now, we are fighting a war for the benefit of Israel.

Yeah, sure.

So tell me, why *ARE* we fighting this war? Because Dubya is a sick
religious nutter who hears voices (like our Teddi)? It *sure* as hell
ain't the WMD (none left, as Ritter predicted) or the links to al-Qaeda
(couldn't find those, either). Powell was right.

"Ken Smith" wrote
So tell me, why *ARE* we fighting this war?

Because Islam has come for us and we've got it to do with them.
Saddam got to ride the pipe because he was a secular muslim and nobody would
get ****ed from a religious standpoint. Iraq and Afghanistan provide good
platforms for confronting Islam on their own ground- better to fight there
than here.

Chas

"Chas" wrote in news:hqWdnS7AjcXgYwndRVn-
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Because Islam has come for us and we've got it to do with them

And this:

http://www.islam-online.net/English/...rticle05.shtml


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"It's obvious to me that this country is rapidly dividing itself into
two camps - the wimps and the warriors. The ones who want to argue
and assess and appease, and the ones who want to carry this fight to
our enemies and kill them before they kill us."
--The Hon. Zell Miller

"Chas" wrote in message ...
"Ken Smith" wrote
So tell me, why *ARE* we fighting this war?

Because Islam has come for us and we've got it to do with them.

Iraq was not an Islamic state. It HAD a secular government. However
when we leave, the fundamentalist Islamists might take over.

Saddam got to ride the pipe because he was a secular muslim and nobody would
get ****ed from a religious standpoint. Iraq and Afghanistan provide good
platforms for confronting Islam on their own ground- better to fight there
than here.


You contradict yourself. None of the reasons for taking the war on
AL Queda to Afghanistan were appicable to escalating the war in Iraq.

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FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote
Because Islam has come for us and we've got it to do with them.
Iraq was not an Islamic state. It HAD a secular government. However
when we leave, the fundamentalist Islamists might take over.

It's entirely because Iraq was titularly a secular state that made it a good
demonstration project for the rest of them.

Saddam got to ride the pipe because he was a secular muslim and nobody
would
get ****ed from a religious standpoint. Iraq and Afghanistan provide
good
platforms for confronting Islam on their own ground- better to fight
there
than here.
You contradict yourself. None of the reasons for taking the war on
AL Queda to Afghanistan were appicable to escalating the war in Iraq.

Not in the least. Saddam was a secular leader out of an Islamic base. You'll
notice he had his ass in the air, calling for help from the jihadi, when it
suited him.
Other Islamic states are run by religious leaders, any attack would be seen
as an attack on the religion- other states have holy sites- again, the
Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy sites and desecrate
those of other religions.
Nah; Saddam was a good choice, and it also gives us a base of operations to
deal with other threats as they arise- and they will.

Chas

Chas wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote

.....again, the Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy sites
and desecrate
those of other religions.

I'm not a defender of Islam but just out of curiosity, could you give me a
couple of examples that might illustrate your point? The reason is that I can't
think of any other than some idiotic Palestinians throwing rocks down on Hebrew
worshippers at the bottom of the Wailing Wall in Jerusalem just to harass and
annoy them. Even there, it's the worshippers who are put out.....the Wailing
Wall is still there intact and not at all desecrated. I certinly can't think of
any Christian sites that are treated that way by Muslims.

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote
.....again, the Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy
sites
and desecrate
those of other religions.
I'm not a defender of Islam but just out of curiosity, could you give me a
couple of examples that might illustrate your point?

The Bamiyan Buddhas are a great example; so was the seige of the Church of
the Nativity last year- hell; the Dome of the Rock on Temple Mount is the
classic. The destruction of Coptic churches, much less the massacre of them
in Egypt; the destruction of Christian churches in the Sudan, in Indonesia-
it's pervasive.

.....I certinly can't think of
any Christian sites that are treated that way by Muslims.

Yeah; they destroyed them a thousand years ago- there's no Little Chapel of
the Ka'abah for example.

Chas

"Chas" wrote in message
...
"George Z. Bush" wrote
.....again, the Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy
sites
and desecrate
those of other religions.
I'm not a defender of Islam but just out of curiosity, could you give me a
couple of examples that might illustrate your point?

The Bamiyan Buddhas are a great example; so was the seige of the Church of
the Nativity last year- hell; the Dome of the Rock on Temple Mount is the
classic. The destruction of Coptic churches, much less the massacre of them
in Egypt; the destruction of Christian churches in the Sudan, in Indonesia-
it's pervasive.

.....I certinly can't think of
any Christian sites that are treated that way by Muslims.

Yeah; they destroyed them a thousand years ago- there's no Little Chapel of
the Ka'abah for example.

Do you suppose it's too late to bring the culprits to justice?

George Z.

"George Z. Bush" wrote in message ...
Chas wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" DID NOT WRITE:

.....again, the Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy sites
and desecrate
those of other religions.


You screwed up the attributions.

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FF

"Fred the Red Shirt" wrote in message
om...
"George Z. Bush" wrote in message
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Chas wrote:
"Fred the Red Shirt" DID NOT WRITE:

.....again, the Muslims claim a proprietary authority over their holy
sites
and desecrate
those of other religions.


You screwed up the attributions.

Sorry about that. Who the hell did say it? It looked like you on my monitor,
but if you say not, I won't argue the point.

George Z.