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Old May 10th 04, 09:52 PM
phil hunt
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On Sat, 08 May 2004 02:35:18 GMT, Thomas J. Paladino Jr. wrote:

Perhaps the Germans would have been far better advised at that point to
build smaller, cheaper and easier to operate tanks in greater quantities, so
that maybe they would actually be around for more than one fight. I'm sure
that with their obvious technical prowess, they would have been able to
construct a simple, light tank that would have been slightly better than the
Sherman


They produced several: the Pz IV, the Hetzer.

(which is really all it had to be), and could be produced in good
enough numbers to close the tank gap to maybe 5-to-1, and be user friendly
enough that inexperienced tank crews could effectively operate it. Now that
could have made a real difference.


I suspect that last requirement's impossible: you need experienced
crews and commanders to handle formations of tanks properly, so that
you can site them in good defensive positions, use good tactics,
don't silhouete them against the sky, etc.

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Old May 8th 04, 06:06 AM
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"robert arndt" wrote in message
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http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz5.htm


SNIP

Rob


Um, what does this have to do with military aviation? Other than the
military aviation of the Allies hurting German tank production?




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Old May 8th 04, 11:19 AM
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In article m, David
E. Powell writes
"robert arndt" wrote in message
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http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz5.htm


SNIP

Rob


Um, what does this have to do with military aviation? Other than the
military aviation of the Allies hurting German tank production?

Or Allied military aviation hurting German tanks. The answer to the
King Tiger was the rocket-firing Typhoon...

Regards,




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Old May 8th 04, 06:51 PM
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On Sat, 8 May 2004 11:19:31 +0100, Moramarth wrote:

In article m, David
E. Powell writes
"robert arndt" wrote in message
. com...
http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz5.htm


SNIP

Rob


Um, what does this have to do with military aviation? Other than the
military aviation of the Allies hurting German tank production?

Or Allied military aviation hurting German tanks. The answer to the
King Tiger was the rocket-firing Typhoon...

Regards,



Along with the rocket firing P-47s, P-51s, and P-38s

Al Minyard
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Old May 8th 04, 11:53 AM
Keith Willshaw
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"robert arndt" wrote in message
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You criticize the King Tiger when historically the Allies that
actually met it in combat gave it the name "Royal Tiger" out of fear
AND respect. It WAS a formidible machine.


Sure but the Wehrmacht had less than 500 of them. The Western allies
alone had more than 40,000 tanks. Most Allied soldiers
never saw a King Tiger.

Keith




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Old May 8th 04, 11:55 AM
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"robert arndt" wrote in message
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Better than any mass-produced piece-of-**** Sherman (except the
Firefly British conversion). Russian T-34/85s and JS-2 tanks were even
better than American ones and even they didn't fare well in
engagements with the King Tiger.


Ah, so King Tiger is a TANK. I thought it was a fruit. Largest lemon in the
world, to be precise.


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Old May 8th 04, 05:08 PM
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On Sat, 8 May 2004 13:55:58 +0300, "Yama" wrote:




Ah, so King Tiger is a TANK. I thought it was a fruit. Largest lemon in the
world, to be precise.


For a true 'new underwear required' heavy tank of that period .

The JS-7 prototype would be rather hard to be disregard. Thank Insert your
deity here that the russian railway system wasnt upto transporting them.



greg


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Old May 8th 04, 06:34 PM
Alistair Gunn
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robert arndt twisted the electrons to say:
Better than any mass-produced piece-of-**** Sherman (except the
Firefly British conversion).


Well, if the Sherman Firefly is adequate then surely the M10 Achilles and
the Comet are also adequate? (Though I wouldn't want to be in the
Achilles with the manual traverse only turret.)

Besides which, if the war lasts any longer then the Centurion and the M26
Pershing with their 20-pounder and 90mm guns (respectively) get in the
game ...
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Old May 8th 04, 06:47 PM
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On 7 May 2004 14:39:47 -0700, (robert arndt) wrote:

http://www.achtungpanzer.com/pz5.htm



Rob



The Nazis lost, get over it.


Al Minyard
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Old May 9th 04, 04:10 PM
Denyav
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The Nazis lost, get over it.

King Leonidas and Confederates lost too!.
 




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