Florida Mil Comms Loggings - Mon, 17 May 2004

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, fudog50
confessed the following:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 05:41:45 GMT, in rec.aviation.military you wrote:

While you may be protected by laws, what you are doing and
posting is certainly subject to scrutiny by any country at war,
especially your own.....

Say what? Awww fer cryin' out loud...

Ok, it's cool you know how to intercept military unencrypted
ATC comms, but does anyone other than an adversary really care???

Ummm since when are ATC communications with FAA centers sensitive?
Afraid that some bad guy will find out F-16s use the Avon Park
bombing range?

Lots of people do this stuff out of curiosity and "wannabe"
pshyches. But they don't post it to the world and make it easier for
potential adversaries to map our techniques. Let them spend the time
and money to do it.

Map our techniques? I'd be willing to bet you never actually practiced
these "techniques" you're worried about. Guess you'll want magazines
like Air Forces Monthly, Air Combat, AW&ST classified...hell Air
Combat publishes a yearly AOB issue. Hell better get the AF to stop
publishing Airman magazine too. Better arrest Guy Alcala for "the good
of the nation," he knows waay too much. [Guy blame me if you get a
vacation to Gitmo...]

Just remember, that military ship/aircraft movements during
peacetime are sensitive and that during war are classified. What you
are doing is definitely gray area stuff and warrants looking into.

Oh piffle, gray area my happy ass. Airplanes takeoff and land at
Patrick AFB...whoopee. I'd be worried about some evil-doer[tm] reading
an airline timetable and hosing off RPGs or MANPADS rounds at a
"whale."

You have been reported to NCIS. When something smells bad, it
usually is, not always. Hope you have nothing to fear, however you
will most certainly be investigated. You might not ever know. Then
again, you might? Standby.

Boy I bet that's got him scared now. Maybe the agent that "catches"
your report will be smart enough to roll her eyes and note your
paranoia, then again she just might think you're on to something
(that'd be very scary).

But at least Allan left his URL so it'll be harder for the secret
squirrel types to find him, finding me will be harder KOOL NI TS LUAP
ATOSENNIM REDNU "P" NI EHT ENOHP KOOB. [just in case you're
tumbleweed, KOOL = look, NI = in...]

Juvat

"Robey Price" wrote in message
...
After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, fudog50
confessed the following:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 05:41:45 GMT, in rec.aviation.military you wrote:

While you may be protected by laws, what you are doing and
posting is certainly subject to scrutiny by any country at war,
especially your own.....

Say what? Awww fer cryin' out loud...

Ok, it's cool you know how to intercept military unencrypted
ATC comms, but does anyone other than an adversary really care???

Ummm since when are ATC communications with FAA centers sensitive?
Afraid that some bad guy will find out F-16s use the Avon Park
bombing range?

Lots of people do this stuff out of curiosity and "wannabe"
pshyches. But they don't post it to the world and make it easier for
potential adversaries to map our techniques. Let them spend the time
and money to do it.



It would seem that you(fudog50) are the "wannabe," mister net cop... I, and
I'm
sure others enjoy reading Allen's posts, if you don't like them or him don't
read them.
Jeez, unbelievable!!
Regards,
T3

Yeah I apologize for that one,,had a bad day and was a little
sensitive about the security issues,,,just trying to make a point,,,it
ain't business as usual anymore, and if you think it still is,,,then
go ahead.

but,,,how do you know if you don't like them if you don't read them?

On Tue, 18 May 2004 13:40:33 GMT, "T3" wrote:


"Robey Price" wrote in message
.. .
After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, fudog50
confessed the following:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 05:41:45 GMT, in rec.aviation.military you wrote:

While you may be protected by laws, what you are doing and
posting is certainly subject to scrutiny by any country at war,
especially your own.....

Say what? Awww fer cryin' out loud...

Ok, it's cool you know how to intercept military unencrypted
ATC comms, but does anyone other than an adversary really care???

Ummm since when are ATC communications with FAA centers sensitive?
Afraid that some bad guy will find out F-16s use the Avon Park
bombing range?

Lots of people do this stuff out of curiosity and "wannabe"
pshyches. But they don't post it to the world and make it easier for
potential adversaries to map our techniques. Let them spend the time
and money to do it.



It would seem that you(fudog50) are the "wannabe," mister net cop... I, and
I'm
sure others enjoy reading Allen's posts, if you don't like them or him don't
read them.
Jeez, unbelievable!!
Regards,
T3

Robey Price wrote:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, fudog50
confessed the following:

On Tue, 18 May 2004 05:41:45 GMT, in rec.aviation.military you wrote:

While you may be protected by laws, what you are doing and
posting is certainly subject to scrutiny by any country at war,
especially your own.....

Say what? Awww fer cryin' out loud...

Ok, it's cool you know how to intercept military unencrypted
ATC comms, but does anyone other than an adversary really care???

Ummm since when are ATC communications with FAA centers sensitive?
Afraid that some bad guy will find out F-16s use the Avon Park
bombing range?

Lots of people do this stuff out of curiosity and "wannabe"
pshyches. But they don't post it to the world and make it easier for
potential adversaries to map our techniques. Let them spend the time
and money to do it.

Map our techniques? I'd be willing to bet you never actually practiced
these "techniques" you're worried about. Guess you'll want magazines
like Air Forces Monthly, Air Combat, AW&ST classified...hell Air
Combat publishes a yearly AOB issue. Hell better get the AF to stop
publishing Airman magazine too. Better arrest Guy Alcala for "the good
of the nation," he knows waay too much. [Guy blame me if you get a
vacation to Gitmo...]

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Oh, I've always wanted to roll over and rat someone out to the feds! With
my luck I'll get classified as an enemy combatant -- being a Northern
California native probably qualifies me in the eyes of this administration
;-) And to think I believed that reading and analysing data from open
sources was a completely legal activity in this country. OTOH, the USAF
supposedly made the attempt to classify Maxwell's equations some years
back (stealth, don't you know), which would have been an interesting
exercise in ex-post facto censorship. I can see them now, trying to round
up 100 or so years worth of college physics textbooks;-)

Guy

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Guy Alcala
confessed the following:

Oh, I've always wanted to roll over and rat someone out to the feds! With
my luck I'll get classified as an enemy combatant -- being a Northern
California native probably qualifies me in the eyes of this administration
;-)

Of course we know that Guy Alcala is simply a clever play on words,
Al-Guycala (the extra c-a is merely a form of phonetic MIJI) hence
Al-Guyla (say it fast, kinda slurred) is pretty darn close to
al-Quada, ergo you are a spy.

If Saddam Hussein had ties to al-Qaeda, by golly you clearly do too.
Kindly turn over your WMD.

And to think I believed that reading and analysing data from open
sources was a completely legal activity in this country.

Subversive! Thinking...there'll be none of that.

OTOH, the USAF
supposedly made the attempt to classify Maxwell's equations some years
back (stealth, don't you know), which would have been an interesting
exercise in ex-post facto censorship.

You've given me an idea, maybe I can sell Avagadro's number (he was a
Mole afterall) and Planck's constant on e-Bay.

Juvat

Robey Price wrote:

After an exhausting session with Victoria's Secret Police, Guy Alcala
confessed the following:

Oh, I've always wanted to roll over and rat someone out to the feds! With
my luck I'll get classified as an enemy combatant -- being a Northern
California native probably qualifies me in the eyes of this administration
;-)

Of course we know that Guy Alcala is simply a clever play on words,
Al-Guycala (the extra c-a is merely a form of phonetic MIJI) hence
Al-Guyla (say it fast, kinda slurred) is pretty darn close to
al-Quada, ergo you are a spy.

If Saddam Hussein had ties to al-Qaeda, by golly you clearly do too.
Kindly turn over your WMD.

Gasp! I knew I never should have talked on my cell phone about going to the
hardware store to restock my stash of Weed-B-Gone. You've figured out the
code, Infidel Dog! Allah curse you!

And to think I believed that reading and analysing data from open
sources was a completely legal activity in this country.

Subversive! Thinking...there'll be none of that.

Well, I must confess I received my early training in critical thinking in that
hotbed of revolutionary training, the California public primary and secondary
school system of the 1960s and '70s. These 'madrassas' clearly had to be
stamped out if we're ever to win the war on terror. Fortunately for the
American way of life, over the last thirty years, through a combination of
political correctness, grade inflation and the effects of Prop. 13 on school
budgets, we've been successful in de-emphasizing the use of logic and reasoning
skills, and indeed almost all forms of debate that doesn't involve shouting at
each other, waving signs or suing. Take that, secular humanist zealots!

OTOH, the USAF
supposedly made the attempt to classify Maxwell's equations some years
back (stealth, don't you know), which would have been an interesting
exercise in ex-post facto censorship.

You've given me an idea, maybe I can sell Avagadro's number (he was a
Mole afterall) and Planck's constant on e-Bay.

You have to give potential buyers a tease -- just to whet their appetite, tell
them what a coulomb is for free, just to establish your bona fides. As for
Avogadro, tell them it's about 6.02 x 10^* -- they get to know what "*" is
after you get confirmation that the (cue Dr. Evil voice) "One Million D . . ."
(sound of No. 2 clearing his throat), "er, I mean One Hundred Billion
Dollars!", is safely in your numbered account (in the Caymans). You'll
probably have to settle for somewhere between $100,000,000 and $1 billion, but
when you go to pick it up, the best way for you to be inconspicuous is to drop
the hint that you're the CEO, CFO, etc. of some multi-billion dollar American
company that has gone into bankruptcy after the discovery of massive fraud by
the corporate executives, and that you're fleeing the country ahead of a likely
indictment. Given the hundreds if not thousands of people they see every week
with the same story, it's unlikely that they'll remember anything special about
you.

Guy

In article ,
wrote:

You'll
probably have to settle for somewhere between $100,000,000 and $1
billion, but
when you go to pick it up, the best way for you to be inconspicuous is to
drop
the hint that you're the CEO, CFO, etc. of some multi-billion dollar
American
company that has gone into bankruptcy after the discovery of massive
fraud by
the corporate executives, and that you're fleeing the country ahead of a
likely
indictment. Given the hundreds if not thousands of people they see every
week
with the same story, it's unlikely that they'll remember anything special
about
you.

Are you suggesting a US-Nigeria union?