America's Army Sucks, Fact

"Peter Twydell" wrote in message
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In article , robert
arndt writes

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Rob

p.s. Can't wait for the two pinheads to chime in too- Keith Willshaw
and Al Minyard.


Is it any wonder that many people regard the Germans as arrogant?

Actually, Arndt is (sadly) a USian--I doubt modern Germans would accept the
likes of him over there, being apparently quite a bit smarter in their usual
interpretation of WWII events and developments than he exhibits.

Brooks


Brooks


Rob

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Peter

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In article , Kevin Brooks
writes

"Peter Twydell" wrote in message
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In article , robert
arndt writes

snip

Rob

p.s. Can't wait for the two pinheads to chime in too- Keith Willshaw
and Al Minyard.


Is it any wonder that many people regard the Germans as arrogant?

Actually, Arndt is (sadly) a USian--I doubt modern Germans would accept the
likes of him over there, being apparently quite a bit smarter in their usual
interpretation of WWII events and developments than he exhibits.

If it walks like a duck and quacks like a duck,...

Brooks


Brooks


Rob

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Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!



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Peter

Ying tong iddle-i po!

"robert arndt" wrote in message
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Or better those morons like you that cannot accept the fact that
Germany is the size of just 1 US state and took on the world and was
winning half the time.

And losing the other half. Overunning Belgium was no
great trick and Norway was no super power. They managed
to beat France to be sure but the first time the vaunted Luftwaffe
met a technically equal but smaller force it was stopped dead.

By late 1940 Britain alone was outproducing Germany in terms
of most major military systems despite a much smaller population
and economy, Then the Fuhrer attacked Russia - STOOPID


Then after defeat, your VICTORIOUS and SUPERIOR
armies raped the entire German nation for all of its technology
ensuring postwar victories without any real effort on your part to
develop them yourself... in areas so unimportant as say... aviation
and space technology... just to name two!


The USA had better jet aircraft in 1945 than Germany did
The late model Meteor was faster than the Me-262
and far more reliable. The Germans never did get their
engines to work for more than 25 hours while the
Rolls Royce engines in the Meteor were good for 2000

Germany never managed to build a succesful heavy bomber,
the USA had 3 types in service and the B-36 under development

The NACA in the USA was alreay working on swept wing
technology in 1945

Von Braun acknowledged that all his work was built on
the foundations laid by Goddard.

The rocket engines used in the X planes post war were designed by
Goddard's team and were far BETTER and more reliable
than those in the Me-163

Then there is the fiasco that was the German nuclear project.

The myth of German technical superiority is just that.

Keith

The USA had better jet aircraft in 1945 than Germany did
The late model Meteor was faster

US had no better aircraft till arrival of F86,even "original" F86 was not
better than Me262,originally F86 supposed to have straight wings

The Germans never did get their
engines to work for more than 25 hours while the
Rolls Royce engines in the Meteor were good for 2000
It was not a design problem,it was a material (resource) problem.
Because they could not get neccesary raw materials .If you cannot import
them,you cannot use them,is it not obvious?

Germany never managed to build a succesful heavy bomber,
the USA had 3 types in service and the B-36 under development

You are trying to compare backward US technology with German tecnology.
Four engine propeller driven bombers never receive much attention in 3rd
Reich,in fact only notable advocate of them was Molders,after his death four
engine bomber development was put totally on back burner.
Germans,unlike US,were not interested dropping bombs from bombers,both America
Bomber and America rocket were not driven by propellers.

The NACA in the USA was alreay working on swept wing
technology in 1945

Yeah right,even von Karman considered that a fantasy till he saw working
examples made in Germany.

Von Braun acknowledged that all his work was built on
the foundations laid by Goddard.

And Jules Verne,typical example of German "understatement"

The rocket engines used in the X planes post war were designed by
Goddard's team and were far BETTER and more reliable
than those in the Me-163

Yeah right.

Then there is the fiasco that was the German nuclear project.



If they had only a couple of month more time Ike's dire prediction would be a
reality,and we now probably be discussing the morality of nuking New York and
London (instead of Hiroshima and Nagazaki) using ,not four piston engined
bombers but Ballistic missiles

The myth of German technical superiority is just that.

I wonder why US keeps this "myth" under lock for 75 years.
1300 Billion dollars might be the reason.

There are advanced nations and advanced countries.
You must pay advanced nations a kind of "protection money" (like Marshall
Plan) to prevent the repetition of the events between between WWI and WWII

"Denyav" wrote in message
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The USA had better jet aircraft in 1945 than Germany did
The late model Meteor was faster

US had no better aircraft till arrival of F86,even "original" F86 was not
better than Me262,originally F86 supposed to have straight wings


Reality Check

Me-262
Limiting Mach - 0.82
Max Speed at sea level - 540 mph
Range - 600 miles


P-80
Limiting Mach - 0.86
Max Speed at Sea level - 558 mph
Range 800 miles (1400 with external fuel)

The Germans never did get their
engines to work for more than 25 hours while the
Rolls Royce engines in the Meteor were good for 2000
It was not a design problem,it was a material (resource) problem.
Because they could not get neccesary raw materials .If you cannot import
them,you cannot use them,is it not obvious?

Germany never managed to build a succesful heavy bomber,
the USA had 3 types in service and the B-36 under development

You are trying to compare backward US technology with German tecnology.
Four engine propeller driven bombers never receive much attention in 3rd
Reich,in fact only notable advocate of them was Molders,after his death
four
engine bomber development was put totally on back burner.

The He-177 musta sneaked through then, of course coupling
4 engines to 2 props didnt work too well.

Germans,unlike US,were not interested dropping bombs from bombers,both
America
Bomber and America rocket were not driven by propellers.


So if the Germans werent interested in dropping bombs from
aircraft why did they build all those Do-17's, He-111's
and JU-88's ?

Where did those planes with Swastikas come from during
the Blitz ?


The NACA in the USA was alreay working on swept wing
technology in 1945

Yeah right,even von Karman considered that a fantasy till he saw working
examples made in Germany.

Von Braun acknowledged that all his work was built on
the foundations laid by Goddard.

And Jules Verne,typical example of German "understatement"


No accurate

The rocket engines used in the X planes post war were designed by
Goddard's team and were far BETTER and more reliable
than those in the Me-163

Yeah right.


Absolutely correct in fact

Then there is the fiasco that was the German nuclear project.



If they had only a couple of month more time Ike's dire prediction would
be a
reality,and we now probably be discussing the morality of nuking New York
and
London (instead of Hiroshima and Nagazaki) using ,not four piston engined
bombers but Ballistic missiles


Sure we would , and Bugs Bunny would be the next Fuhrer

The myth of German technical superiority is just that.

I wonder why US keeps this "myth" under lock for 75 years.
1300 Billion dollars might be the reason.


Thats your fantasy, I dont share it.

There are advanced nations and advanced countries.
You must pay advanced nations a kind of "protection money" (like Marshall
Plan) to prevent the repetition of the events between between WWI and WWII


Well since Britain received more under Marshall Aid than
Germany that must make us more advanced.

Keith

Sure we would , and Bugs Bunny would be the next Fuhrer


Well,it would be very hard to call a nuclear explosion a "gas exlosion" to say
at least.

Thats your fantasy, I dont share it.

Fine

Well since Britain received more under Marshall Aid than
Germany that must make us more advanced.

Did I ever say "Britain is less advanced" or "Britain is only an advanced
country not an advanced nation" ?

"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message ...
"robert arndt" wrote in message
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Or better those morons like you that cannot accept the fact that
Germany is the size of just 1 US state and took on the world and was
winning half the time.

And losing the other half. Overunning Belgium was no
great trick and Norway was no super power. They managed
to beat France to be sure but the first time the vaunted Luftwaffe
met a technically equal but smaller force it was stopped dead.

By late 1940 Britain alone was outproducing Germany in terms
of most major military systems despite a much smaller population
and economy,

In 1940, you ditched all your equipment on the beaches of Dunkirk and
had little more than the Home Guard to protect you from invasion. Your
armor was garbage just like your ships and the Kreigsmarine only
needed around 300 U-boats to choke your little nation to death WITHOUT
a need to invade. You brag about production while accepting massive
handouts from the US that saved your sorry ass... pardon me for
laughing my ass off!



Then the Fuhrer attacked Russia - STOOPID

ALL Germans would agree with you there... still they did launch the
world's greatest land invasion in history and would have made it to
Moscow had they not been bogged down in the earlier offensive in the
Balkans bailing out the Italians.


Then after defeat, your VICTORIOUS and SUPERIOR
armies raped the entire German nation for all of its technology
ensuring postwar victories without any real effort on your part to
develop them yourself... in areas so unimportant as say... aviation
and space technology... just to name two!


The USA had better jet aircraft in 1945 than Germany did
The late model Meteor was faster than the Me-262
and far more reliable. The Germans never did get their
engines to work for more than 25 hours while the
Rolls Royce engines in the Meteor were good for 2000

Huh, really? That's why the US engineers asked the GERMANS for advice
on the future of jet engine development. The Germans told them
axial-flow was the future even though the US/UK chose to toy around
with centrifugal dead-end jet engines for years afterwards and even
still continued producing PROP AIRCRAFT!
The Germans in 1945 had the world's greatest engine the DB 109-016 @
28,652 lb st and the world's first afterburning engine the Jumo 004E.
Of course Germany lack the strategic materials necessary for higher
quality coonstruction of jet engines but they also had synthetics
developed under a time of round-the-clock bombing; nevertheless, THEY
introduced two jet fighters, a jet bomber, a rocket figheter, and had
two supersonic designs under construction- the Lp DM-1 demonstrator
for the Lp P.13 and the DFS 346 (which flew Mach 1 in the USSR
postwar).

Germany never managed to build a succesful heavy bomber,
the USA had 3 types in service and the B-36 under development

That's Hitler's fault for cancelling any four-engined type. Germany
could have built the Me-264, Ju 390, and a wide range of jet bomber
projects that HEAVILY influenced postwar designs. If you think not
then buy "Luftwaffe Secret Projects, Strategic Bombers 1939-1945".

The NACA in the USA was alreay working on swept wing
technology in 1945\

And everyone knows Germany's windtunnel data on the swept-wing (in all
configurations) was far more valuable than anything the Allies had
under development. I'm surprised how stupid you are to mention that at
all.

Von Braun acknowledged that all his work was built on
the foundations laid by Goddard.

.... and Oberth, who proposed rocket artillery as far back as WW1!

The rocket engines used in the X planes post war were designed by
Goddard's team and were far BETTER and more reliable
than those in the Me-163

Yet the US stole the X-15 configuration/concept from the Peenemunde
EMW A6 and the US NEVER fielded a rocket fighter, making the Me-163
Komet unique in air combat history.

Then there is the fiasco that was the German nuclear project.

Which is the entire basis for the US rush to develop it's own bomb.
Germans got a bad deal with bad graphite- thank God for that. Yet the
Germans also were smart enough to realize that nuclear power could be
used for other purposes too:
radiological weapons, a nuclear power reactor, and for use in
submarines long before Nautilus was built. They also realized than an
atom bomb coulb be mounted on a missile and launched from sea
(Prufstand XII container).

The myth of German technical superiority is just that.

No, hundreds of thousands of captured technical documents stored at
Wright Field in 1946 prove you wrong. The US Govt even was "low"
enough to sell non-classified technical documents to other nations for
cash- including the USSR!
And if German technology is just a myth then why is 85% of America's
arsenal derived from German weapons from WW1 and WW2? Why do we even
use their tactics and wear their helmets?

Rob


Keith

"robert arndt" wrote in message
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"Keith Willshaw" wrote in message
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"robert arndt" wrote in message
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Or better those morons like you that cannot accept the fact that
Germany is the size of just 1 US state and took on the world and was
winning half the time.

And losing the other half. Overunning Belgium was no
great trick and Norway was no super power. They managed
to beat France to be sure but the first time the vaunted Luftwaffe
met a technically equal but smaller force it was stopped dead.

By late 1940 Britain alone was outproducing Germany in terms
of most major military systems despite a much smaller population
and economy,

In 1940, you ditched all your equipment on the beaches of Dunkirk and
had little more than the Home Guard to protect you from invasion. Your
armor was garbage just like your ships and the Kreigsmarine only
needed around 300 U-boats to choke your little nation to death WITHOUT
a need to invade.

Reality check

The armour was repaced within a few months

The Kriegsmarine was mostly sunk or battered into
submission and failed to choke us into submission

On the other hand all sea communications into
Germany were effectively blocked

You brag about production while accepting massive
handouts from the US that saved your sorry ass... pardon me for
laughing my ass off!


We still outproduced Germany and the fliers of the Luftwaffe
werent laughing about the RAF shooting their asses out of
the sky



Then the Fuhrer attacked Russia - STOOPID

ALL Germans would agree with you there... still they did launch the
world's greatest land invasion in history and would have made it to
Moscow had they not been bogged down in the earlier offensive in the
Balkans bailing out the Italians.

Bull****, the start date for Barabarossa was impacted by
the winter flooding of the Polish river valleys. This is just
another bad excuse.




Then after defeat, your VICTORIOUS and SUPERIOR
armies raped the entire German nation for all of its technology
ensuring postwar victories without any real effort on your part to
develop them yourself... in areas so unimportant as say... aviation
and space technology... just to name two!


The USA had better jet aircraft in 1945 than Germany did
The late model Meteor was faster than the Me-262
and far more reliable. The Germans never did get their
engines to work for more than 25 hours while the
Rolls Royce engines in the Meteor were good for 2000

Huh, really? That's why the US engineers asked the GERMANS for advice
on the future of jet engine development. The Germans told them
axial-flow was the future even though the US/UK chose to toy around
with centrifugal dead-end jet engines for years afterwards and even
still continued producing PROP AIRCRAFT!

The UK had 3 countem 3 Axial flow engines in development
and centrifugal engines of British design powered the Mig-15
and are still in use today.

This is typical Luftwaffe 46 bull****. The British and Americans built
machines that were cheap , reliable and WORKED.
The Nazis built exploding phallic sysmbols

Guess who wins when that happens

The Germans in 1945 had the world's greatest engine the DB 109-016 @
28,652 lb st and the world's first afterburning engine the Jumo 004E.

None of which were actually producible

Of course Germany lack the strategic materials necessary for higher
quality coonstruction of jet engines but they also had synthetics
developed under a time of round-the-clock bombing; nevertheless, THEY
introduced two jet fighters, a jet bomber, a rocket figheter, and had
two supersonic designs under construction- the Lp DM-1 demonstrator
for the Lp P.13 and the DFS 346 (which flew Mach 1 in the USSR
postwar).

Sketches on the back of an envelope dont count, note however the
Canberra was an design of the same era that DID go into
production and which is still in service


Germany never managed to build a succesful heavy bomber,
the USA had 3 types in service and the B-36 under development

That's Hitler's fault for cancelling any four-engined type. Germany
could have built the Me-264, Ju 390, and a wide range of jet bomber
projects that HEAVILY influenced postwar designs. If you think not
then buy "Luftwaffe Secret Projects, Strategic Bombers 1939-1945".

The NACA in the USA was alreay working on swept wing
technology in 1945\

And everyone knows Germany's windtunnel data on the swept-wing (in all
configurations) was far more valuable than anything the Allies had
under development. I'm surprised how stupid you are to mention that at
all.

In otherwords you didnt know about it.


Von Braun acknowledged that all his work was built on
the foundations laid by Goddard.

... and Oberth, who proposed rocket artillery as far back as WW1!

The rocket engines used in the X planes post war were designed by
Goddard's team and were far BETTER and more reliable
than those in the Me-163

Yet the US stole the X-15 configuration/concept from the Peenemunde
EMW A6 and the US NEVER fielded a rocket fighter, making the Me-163
Komet unique in air combat history.

Well nobody else was stupid enough to build an aircraft that
was more dangerous to its pilot than the enemy to be sure


Then there is the fiasco that was the German nuclear project.

Which is the entire basis for the US rush to develop it's own bomb.
Germans got a bad deal with bad graphite- thank God for that. Yet the
Germans also were smart enough to realize that nuclear power could be
used for other purposes too:

So was everyone else

radiological weapons, a nuclear power reactor, and for use in
submarines long before Nautilus was built. They also realized than an
atom bomb coulb be mounted on a missile and launched from sea
(Prufstand XII container).

Trouble is they couldnt actually build either


The myth of German technical superiority is just that.

No, hundreds of thousands of captured technical documents stored at
Wright Field in 1946 prove you wrong. The US Govt even was "low"
enough to sell non-classified technical documents to other nations for
cash- including the USSR!

Well gee if they aint classified whats the beef ?

And if German technology is just a myth then why is 85% of America's
arsenal derived from German weapons from WW1 and WW2?

It isnt, Germany buys US aircraft.

Why do we even
use their tactics and wear their helmets?


Well you may wear a Nazi uniform and pretend to be
a stormtrooper but I dont.

Keith

Trouble is they couldnt actually build either

If occupation of Germany delayed by 6 months Newyorkers and Londoners could see
the proof ,fully assembled.
The whole purpose of Normany Landing is to occupy Germany before completion of
S weapons .

It isnt, Germany buys US aircraft.

And US calls some stolen technology UFOs.

And everyone knows Germany's windtunnel data on the swept-wing (in all
configurations) was far more valuable than anything the Allies had
under development. I'm surprised how stupid you are to mention that at

Well,not only swept wing but also swing wing concept too.
Truth is, post WWII US designers blindly copied almost everything with a German
label.
This blind copying fury yielded good results many times,but not always.
The best known examle of copying not gone very well is F-111.