Flight review required?

61.57(a) is clearly ONLY for carrying passengers.

with a flight review in gliders, you can solo that King Air 350 all you want. you can even do 3 touch and goes, fill it with passengers, and take them on a nice jaunt.

--bob


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Well, sort of. Now that this pilot has his glider add on and therefore re-started his flight review 2 year cycle, he now has to comply with 61.57(a).. It clearly states, "The required [3] takeoffs and landings were performed in an aircraft of the same category, class, and type . . . ." This hypothetical King Air and glider are different categories (see Part 1, "catagory (1), examples"). Three landings in a glider does not make one current in airplanes or vice versa for that matter.

Terry said "Most training gliders fit in light sport.". The 2-33 certainly does, but the Blanik L-23 or the Ask 21 does not due to Vne - or am I missing something?

On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 1:05:28 PM UTC+12, wrote:
Terry said "Most training gliders fit in light sport.". The 2-33 certainly does, but the Blanik L-23 or the Ask 21 does not due to Vne - or am I missing something?

Light Sport Aircraft have a 120 knot limit on speed in level flight. NOT a limit on Vne (that I can see).

Gliders can't do level flight at all.

Light sport aircraft directly limits gliders to a Vne of 120kcas to qualify as light sport.

BillT

On Friday, April 22, 2016 at 6:11:19 AM UTC+3, Bill T wrote:
Light sport aircraft directly limits gliders to a Vne of 120kcas to qualify as light sport.

Seems very inconsistent, as I don't recall a Vne limit for non-gliders.

In any case, what is to prevent you from simply re-placarding your glider to a 120 knot Vne?

120 knots is not Vne for Light Sport. The limit is 120 kts max speed in level flight (Vh). I believe this is also at sea level on a standard day. Vne is probably tailored to the individual aircraft model accounting for structural and flutter concerns.

This is a direct copy from 14 CFR 1.1 under the definition of Light Sport Aircraft:

(3) A maximum never-exceed speed (VNE) of not more than 120 knots CAS for a glider

On Saturday, April 23, 2016 at 3:07:43 AM UTC+12, wrote:
120 knots is not Vne for Light Sport. The limit is 120 kts max speed in level flight (Vh). I believe this is also at sea level on a standard day. Vne is probably tailored to the individual aircraft model accounting for structural and flutter concerns.

That's what I said.

On 4/22/2016 9:08 AM, Bruce Hoult wrote:
In any case, what is to prevent you from simply re-placarding your glider to a 120 knot Vne?

Because the FAA already thought of that dodge! Notice the words "since
its original certification" in the excerpt below.

"Light-sport aircraft means an aircraft, other than a helicopter or
powered-lift that, since its original certification, has continued to
meet the following:"

Now if you are certifying a new glider, I see nothing stopping you from
doing something like that. In fact, I think it happens every day in the
Light Sport world. That explains how they can sell a 2-seat Light Sport
airplane that (on paper) has barely enough useful load to carry one
USA-sized pilot. Obviously there is an official gross weight, and
another, higher "wink wink" gross weight.

On Thursday, April 21, 2016 at 6:05:28 PM UTC-7, wrote:
Terry said "Most training gliders fit in light sport.". The 2-33 certainly does, but the Blanik L-23 or the Ask 21 does not due to Vne - or am I missing something?

It is kind of a curious circumstance with the ASK-21. The POH specifies a max all-up weight of 1320 lbs - on the button for the max weight of a light sport aircraft, but the Vne is specified as 151 kts.. - more than a little faster than the 120 kts. Vne the FAA (14 CFR 1.1) limits a light sport aircraft to.