CCSC Landing Accident?

Yes another highly preventable accident, thankfully no one hurt, just embarisment and higher insurance rates.

As for the Pawnee, probably the easiest most docile large engine taildragger there is. I find most guys who have never experienced their ability as sprayers (99% of tow pilots) land them way too fast, and as a result wheel land. The Pawnee will three point incredibly docilely and with very low energy. There is no need to come scalding in at 80mph as I've many doing.

In the dusting business we almost every day have to deal with downwind landings as we many times work off of one way runways. First few times better pay attention. After doing a bunch of them, its really no big deal as long as your paying attention! Landing in up to 10mph tailwind very routine. Very accurate speed control vital and keeping the energy real low. The pawnee I've worked in 15 mph quartering tailwinds, but it necessitated not being gusty and bringing her in slow and three pointing, dont even think about wheeling her on in those condx unless you have gobs of runway (we had 1600 ft).

The problems arise when a guy DOESNT KNOW he is landing downwind. That's when things can get interesting real fast. When we work off of new runways or fields we always set up white 8 ft pvc pipes with multiple fluorescent flagging at both ends and the middle of the strip. It really helps to know exactly what the wind is doing on T/O roll with a heavy load and on short final. This can help signal a thermal coming across the runway etc.
Dan

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 1:09:11 AM UTC+3, wrote:
Yes another highly preventable accident, thankfully no one hurt, just embarisment and higher insurance rates.

As for the Pawnee, probably the easiest most docile large engine taildragger there is. I find most guys who have never experienced their ability as sprayers (99% of tow pilots) land them way too fast, and as a result wheel land. The Pawnee will three point incredibly docilely and with very low energy. There is no need to come scalding in at 80mph as I've many doing.

In the dusting business we almost every day have to deal with downwind landings as we many times work off of one way runways. First few times better pay attention. After doing a bunch of them, its really no big deal as long as your paying attention! Landing in up to 10mph tailwind very routine. Very accurate speed control vital and keeping the energy real low. The pawnee I've worked in 15 mph quartering tailwinds, but it necessitated not being gusty and bringing her in slow and three pointing, dont even think about wheeling her on in those condx unless you have gobs of runway (we had 1600 ft).

The problems arise when a guy DOESNT KNOW he is landing downwind. That's when things can get interesting real fast. When we work off of new runways or fields we always set up white 8 ft pvc pipes with multiple fluorescent flagging at both ends and the middle of the strip. It really helps to know exactly what the wind is doing on T/O roll with a heavy load and on short final. This can help signal a thermal coming across the runway etc.
Dan

Looking at the sock at 1:10 this guy has a good 10 knots tailwind when landing. Doesn't seem to bother him.

http://youtu.be/loy2n8s_l00

Those things are pretty much all converted to turbine now, of course (or replaced by bigger turbine models carrying 2 tonnes instead of 1). I loved the crackle of those old 400 HP beasts.

http://youtu.be/lO3nAB5Zz8

On a gliding note: those concrete fertalizer bunkers are good to spot. You're probably never more than 10 km from one, you know the place is landable (and has truck access), and the bunker is always at the high end of the strip...

On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:03:41 PM UTC-4, Bruce Hoult wrote:

http://youtu.be/lO3nAB5Zz8

Bad link in the USA

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, son_of_flubber says...

On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:03:41 PM UTC-4, Bruce Hoult wrote:

http://youtu.be/lO3nAB5Zz8

Bad link in the USA

Even in NZ!

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Duncan.

On Monday, April 25, 2016 at 2:53:56 PM UTC+12, son_of_flubber wrote:
On Sunday, April 24, 2016 at 8:03:41 PM UTC-4, Bruce Hoult wrote:

http://youtu.be/lO3nAB5Zz8

Bad link in the USA

Dammit. This cutting the URLs down business is error-prone. Missed an _

http://youtu.be/_lO3nAB5Zz8

So sorry to hear about loss of control landing accidents. Especially when metal gets bent.
And now an engine teardown.
Landing on grass is very forgiving, quartering tailwinds not withstanding.
Landing on gravel, tires will slide, landing on pavement, no forgiveness for not paying attention.

We have pavement.

The one crop duster video, tailwind landing uphill, was a nose dragger, no real comparison, except for landing an minimum speed.

I agree the Pawnee does not like being "forced to land" at speeds above 60. I've also witnessed instant landings, 3 point, in a small tailwind when the wind decides it's done flying. Busy feet needed.

Sorry to loose another great 2 seat trainer, in an environment that not many are built.
I wonder what it would take for Blanik to restart production on the L-23.

BillT

You can buy new L-23s right now. The L-23NG I think is what it is called. New company took over. They were at the SSA Convention.

At 03:54 25 April 2016, Tony wrote:
You can buy new L-23s right now. The L-23NG I think is what it is
called.
New company took over. They were at the SSA Convention.

How much will they cost?

http://www.blanik.aero/

Thanks Tony, I missed the Convention, I'll look them up.
BillT