Heartfelt Thank You

A minor correction to Dave -

Our club in the US does, indeed, do both spin avoidance training and actual spin training before solo. We do that in a Puchacz.

Lou - AG

Oh wow! You are an amazing instructor! This is great!

My big question was of the other pilot threw up in his hands? What kind of pilot does that? Is this a joke?

Maybe you can include training for flying with incompetent pilots that vomit while flying.

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 5:03:27 PM UTC+13, wrote:
Oh wow! You are an amazing instructor! This is great!

My big question was of the other pilot threw up in his hands? What kind of pilot does that? Is this a joke?

1) those saying "You have control"
2) those saying "Insha Allah" (subset of the above, God is the copilot)

Have been around aviation my entire adult life. I know of one instance where letting go of the controls saved one student pilot who inadvertantly had gotten into a spin while practicing slow flight in a cessna 172. As a student pilot just getting ready for his airman check ride, he had not had spin training, only spoke of spinning and recovery, but one thing the instructor had told this student, "if you get into trouble, chop the throttle and take hands and feet off controls". Well, this student did this and the Cessna recovered. I am a believer in teaching pilots how to fly including spinning. I have never been to a glider operation that did not required students to be proficient at spins.


On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 4:01:06 AM UTC-7, Bruce Hoult wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 5:03:27 PM UTC+13, wrote:
Oh wow! You are an amazing instructor! This is great!

My big question was of the other pilot threw up in his hands? What kind of pilot does that? Is this a joke?

1) those saying "You have control"
2) those saying "Insha Allah" (subset of the above, God is the copilot)

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:45:53 AM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Have been around aviation my entire adult life. I know of one instance where letting go of the controls saved one student pilot who inadvertantly had gotten into a spin while practicing slow flight in a cessna 172. As a student pilot just getting ready for his airman check ride, he had not had spin training, only spoke of spinning and recovery, but one thing the instructor had told this student, "if you get into trouble, chop the throttle and take hands and feet off controls". Well, this student did this and the Cessna recovered. I am a believer in teaching pilots how to fly including spinning. I have never been to a glider operation that did not required students to be proficient at spins.


On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 4:01:06 AM UTC-7, Bruce Hoult wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 5:03:27 PM UTC+13, wrote:
Oh wow! You are an amazing instructor! This is great!

My big question was of the other pilot threw up in his hands? What kind of pilot does that? Is this a joke?

1) those saying "You have control"
2) those saying "Insha Allah" (subset of the above, God is the copilot)

The recreational pilot (Canadian version of LSA pilot) did not throw up 'in his hands', - he threw his hands in the air. And yes, for some aircraft, that is a fix. We use 2-33s for ab initio training, and the technique works in them, but it certainly would not in the 2-32. And for the record, the spin recovery method we teach, subject always to override by instructions in the POH, is 1) full opposite rudder, 2) centralise the stick, 3) pause briefly, 4) lower the nose until the auto-rotation stops, 5) centralise the rudder, and 6) pull out of the dive watching the G's

It was, it would seem, no joke. The thanks was as sincere as it gets.

On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 7:30:59 AM UTC-7, Charlie Papa wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:45:53 AM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Have been around aviation my entire adult life. I know of one instance where letting go of the controls saved one student pilot who inadvertantly had gotten into a spin while practicing slow flight in a cessna 172. As a student pilot just getting ready for his airman check ride, he had not had spin training, only spoke of spinning and recovery, but one thing the instructor had told this student, "if you get into trouble, chop the throttle and take hands and feet off controls". Well, this student did this and the Cessna recovered. I am a believer in teaching pilots how to fly including spinning. I have never been to a glider operation that did not required students to be proficient at spins.


On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 4:01:06 AM UTC-7, Bruce Hoult wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 5:03:27 PM UTC+13, wrote:
Oh wow! You are an amazing instructor! This is great!

My big question was of the other pilot threw up in his hands? What kind of pilot does that? Is this a joke?

1) those saying "You have control"
2) those saying "Insha Allah" (subset of the above, God is the copilot)

The recreational pilot (Canadian version of LSA pilot) did not throw up 'in his hands', - he threw his hands in the air. And yes, for some aircraft, that is a fix. We use 2-33s for ab initio training, and the technique works in them, but it certainly would not in the 2-32. And for the record, the spin recovery method we teach, subject always to override by instructions in the POH, is 1) full opposite rudder, 2) centralise the stick, 3) pause briefly, 4) lower the nose until the auto-rotation stops, 5) centralise the rudder, and 6) pull out of the dive watching the G's

It was, it would seem, no joke. The thanks was as sincere as it gets.

All glider student pilots get spin training in the U.S. - it is all other student pilots who don't. There is a very practical reason for this: gliders are flown at speeds and attitudes that make spins very possible. Spins in power planes typically occur at altitudes that are not recoverable (base-to-final turns). I once asked my power instructor to demonstrate a spin entry and recovery; his answer: a flat NO! Ironically, if you do a power-on stall (like during a missed approach simulation) it looks to me very much like a spin entry.

Tom

On Sunday, October 16, 2016 at 11:22:56 PM UTC-4, 2G wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 7:30:59 AM UTC-7, Charlie Papa wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 9:45:53 AM UTC-4, Jonathan St. Cloud wrote:
Have been around aviation my entire adult life. I know of one instance where letting go of the controls saved one student pilot who inadvertantly had gotten into a spin while practicing slow flight in a cessna 172. As a student pilot just getting ready for his airman check ride, he had not had spin training, only spoke of spinning and recovery, but one thing the instructor had told this student, "if you get into trouble, chop the throttle and take hands and feet off controls". Well, this student did this and the Cessna recovered. I am a believer in teaching pilots how to fly including spinning. I have never been to a glider operation that did not required students to be proficient at spins.


On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 4:01:06 AM UTC-7, Bruce Hoult wrote:
On Tuesday, October 11, 2016 at 5:03:27 PM UTC+13, wrote:
Oh wow! You are an amazing instructor! This is great!

My big question was of the other pilot threw up in his hands? What kind of pilot does that? Is this a joke?

1) those saying "You have control"
2) those saying "Insha Allah" (subset of the above, God is the copilot)

The recreational pilot (Canadian version of LSA pilot) did not throw up 'in his hands', - he threw his hands in the air. And yes, for some aircraft, that is a fix. We use 2-33s for ab initio training, and the technique works in them, but it certainly would not in the 2-32. And for the record, the spin recovery method we teach, subject always to override by instructions in the POH, is 1) full opposite rudder, 2) centralise the stick, 3) pause briefly, 4) lower the nose until the auto-rotation stops, 5) centralise the rudder, and 6) pull out of the dive watching the G's

It was, it would seem, no joke. The thanks was as sincere as it gets.

All glider student pilots get spin training in the U.S. - it is all other student pilots who don't. There is a very practical reason for this: gliders are flown at speeds and attitudes that make spins very possible. Spins in power planes typically occur at altitudes that are not recoverable (base-to-final turns). I once asked my power instructor to demonstrate a spin entry and recovery; his answer: a flat NO! Ironically, if you do a power-on stall (like during a missed approach simulation) it looks to me very much like a spin entry.

Tom

All glider student pilots get spin training in the U.S. - it is all other student pilots who don't

Tom - I beg to differ! I got my ticket many moons ago in Germany and we certainly had to demonstrate spins and spin recovery as part of our regular training. We used Ka13, L13 and the K21 for that. All do spin nicely.
Uli
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