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"Denyav" wrote in message ... No, the list doesn't go on - you do. No transmissions were made by the IJN, the Germans didn't have a clue it was happening and you are just a loon Please feel free to repeat the above thousands times more if it makes you happy,but it wont change anything , big lies do not last for forever,even if they are under NSA protection. When faced with the unfortunate truth that the transmitters were dismantled, label it a lie. Too much credible evidence supports this. No, the IJN records show they were dismantled. Reality. deal with it. Thats your reality Sir,not the reality of many who actualy listen and report them. Yes, I'm quite happy to accept that the real world (aka "my reality") is different from your reality. Actually IJN ships were under orders to cease communications after Nov.25 "EXCEPT" extreme emergencies. The task force broke radio silence at least 28 times between between Nov.26 and Dec.7. Since they have NO radio equipment,they must have used cell phones of crew members !. They didn't transmit, they documented why. deal with it. Nope, try looking up skip distances. I guess you never used a SW radio. Quite a few. A whole new conspiracy. good. that will make you happy. Mother of all conspiracies is to hide truth in somewhere in Indiana and deny everyone,including the members of Congress,access to them. Of course it is, now take your meds and behave yourself. |
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When faced with the unfortunate truth that the transmitters were dismantled,
label it a lie. Too much credible evidence supports this. Yeah right,28 intercepted transmissions from the Task Force were actualy sent by Outer Space Aliens masquerading as Japanase Sailors at this time. Yes, I'm quite happy to accept that the real world (aka "my reality") is different from your reality. Enjoy it,but I would rather stick to the reality behind NSA curtain (aka "vault reality") hey didn't transmit, they documented why. deal with it. Yeah right,they were outer space aliens as I mentioned before. Quite a few. Good,then you should not be surpised to hear Task Force transmissions in CA. Of course it is, now take your meds and behave yourself. Do you think that NSA fired formidable barrages of withdrawal notices for pre-Pearl Harbor documents after 1999 just make me behave right? |
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Did you go to the library?
It's you that needs to read some history rather than the conspirowhacko drivel you keep reading. Do you mean the history manufactured by McCollum to cover the real history engineered by McCollum? |
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hen why should we take you arguments that new information on Pearl harbor
is more acurate or truthful than the orginal reports ? The mentioned book was about Ft.Sumter incident not for Pearl Harbor and author based his case on (Union) war department documents,that means these documents were available for the historians. On other hand,recently surfaced documents were withheld from everbody,including the Members of the Congress. In other words,the Members of Congress were authorized to investigate Pearl Harbor incident on behalf of American People,but they were not authorized to see some critical Pearl Harbor documents,much less mere mortals. If McCollum were Lincoln's personal routing officer the Author might not find anything in War Department files implicating Lincoln administration. The exact cause may never be know. I am aware of the original official version. Now did you intend to contradict yourself ? Most naval experts consider it to have been a coal bunker fire next to a powder magazine. So coal caught fire in a very politically correct location and time. |
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In article ,
on 19 Jun 2004 16:28:25 GMT, Denyav attempted to say ..... Did you go to the library? It's you that needs to read some history rather than the conspirowhacko drivel you keep reading. Do you mean the history manufactured by McCollum to cover the real history engineered by McCollum? Isn't he one of your prize sources ? -- When dealing with propaganda terminology one sometimes always speaks in variable absolutes. This is not to be mistaken for an unbiased slant. |
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And the fact that Adm Halsey, with all the same information that Adm Kimmel
had stated he intended to shoot down any Japanese aircraft he encountered and sink any IJN ships that he might find. Actually Kimmel acted before Halsey and sent 46 ships to open sea without notifying WAshington in late Nov. Who countermanded Kimmel's orders and ordered Fleet to return to the base? Washington (Stark) Halsey issued his plans AFTER Washington ordered the Fleet back to Pearl Harbor (His Carriers were part of 46 ship Grand Exercise) as a 25-ship scaled down version of Kimmels original plan. But even Halseys scaled down exercise plan was too much for the Washington,They ordered Halsey to use his carriers to transport planes to Wake and Midway. Order came again from Stark. Why Washington countermanded Kimmels orders and ordered 46-ship fleet to return to Pearl Harbor as Japanase Task was steaming towards Hawaii? 1)Japanase might abort their mission if they knew US was prepared and waiting for them. (That would mean a total failure of McCollum plan) 2)Even if they'd not aborted the mission,PSYOP value of a naval engagement at open sea would be much less than Pearl Harbor. Washington knew that if two fleets met at sea and engaged each other there always might be questions about who attacked first. (Limited success for McCollum plan,US probably would enter WWII but probably not so united without shock and awe effect of Pearl Harbor) Washington had no interest in deterring Japanase or stopping them before they dropped bombs over HAwaii. On contrary,Washington wanted to make Task Forces journey between Nov,26 and Dec,7 as comfortable and easy as possible. To make it happen they even tried to create a shipping-free zone,so that the Task force could steam toward Hawaii without worrying about sightings. |
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