EU Heavy Bomber ideas?

"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , Alan Minyard
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Interesting comment, since the EU does not have "modern fighters"

Eurofighter? Rafale? Gripen?

How many of them are actually in service? Hmmm....

Nobody ever said that Europe couldn't design or build modern fighters, but
that they simply choose not to because it's easier to let the USA fight all
their wars for them, then complain about American 'imperialism'. They have
it both ways.


or
strike aircraft.

Tornado GR.4? Harrier GR.9?

How many? Last I heard, both of those aircraft were on their way out in the
near future.


They also have no organic strategic transport aircraft

We're assured that the A400M will be wonderful.

If they decide to buy and field more than three.


and
no usable attack helos.

Lynx AH.7? Tiger? Mangusta?

Hardly up to Apache standards.

In message , Thomas J.
Paladino Jr. writes
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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Eurofighter? Rafale? Gripen?

How many of them are actually in service? Hmmm....

More than there are F-22s or JSFs

Tornado GR.4? Harrier GR.9?

How many?

Eighty-four Tornado GR.4s in seven frontline squadrons, plus forty-two
Harriers in three squadrons (plus OCU aircraft and a few others)

Last I heard, both of those aircraft were on their way out in the
near future.

Harrier's good for another ten years, the Tonka until 2020 or so.

Lynx AH.7? Tiger? Mangusta?

Hardly up to Apache standards.

Lynx did a very good job in Telic, despite being charitably described as
'austere'.

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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , Thomas J.
Paladino Jr. writes
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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Eurofighter? Rafale? Gripen?

How many of them are actually in service? Hmmm....

More than there are F-22s or JSFs

Tornado GR.4? Harrier GR.9?

How many?

Eighty-four Tornado GR.4s in seven frontline squadrons, plus forty-two


Where did you get these figures from if you don't mind me asking? I was
pretty sure that 140 had went through the GR4 MLU hangars?

In message , Ian
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"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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Eighty-four Tornado GR.4s in seven frontline squadrons, plus forty-two

Where did you get these figures from if you don't mind me asking? I was
pretty sure that 140 had went through the GR4 MLU hangars?

http://www.raf.mod.uk/

There may be more in attrition reserve and otherwise off the books, but
that's the cited operational strength.

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He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." writes:
"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , Alan Minyard
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Interesting comment, since the EU does not have "modern fighters"

Eurofighter? Rafale? Gripen?

How many of them are actually in service?

Gripen: about 140 in the Swedish air force so far.
Rafale: one squadron?
Eurofighter: (cough)

/Tomas

In message , Tomas By
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"Thomas J. Paladino Jr." writes:
How many of them are actually in service?

Gripen: about 140 in the Swedish air force so far.
Rafale: one squadron?
Eurofighter: (cough)

First examples are with the Operational Conversion Unit, but not many of
them yet.

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He thinks too much: such men are dangerous.
Julius Caesar I:2

Paul J. Adam MainBoxatjrwlynch[dot]demon{dot}co(.)uk

On Tue, 22 Jun 2004 12:33:45 GMT, "Thomas J. Paladino Jr."
wrote:


"Paul J. Adam" wrote in message
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In message , Alan Minyard
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Interesting comment, since the EU does not have "modern fighters"

Eurofighter? Rafale? Gripen?

How many of them are actually in service? Hmmm....

Several squadrons of Gripens, one squadron of Rafale IIRC(certainly
they have done a dpeloyment on CdG), and Typhoon is still some way
from squadron service. Otherwise for "modern" we have to rely on F-16
MLU which there are dozens of in Europe and oh look are roughly
equivalent to a Block 50 F-16C which is the most modern in the USAF.

Tornado GR.4? Harrier GR.9?

How many? Last I heard, both of those aircraft were on their way out in the
near future.

You heard wrong - GR.9 is to be replaced by F-35 sometime next decade
(first deliveries were to be in 2010, but that has slipped IIRC), and
Tornado will be around even longer before being replaced by FOAS.

They also have no organic strategic transport aircraft

We're assured that the A400M will be wonderful.

If they decide to buy and field more than three.

Current orders stand at 180 aircraft - IIRC that is slightly more than
3.

and
no usable attack helos.

Lynx AH.7? Tiger? Mangusta?

Hardly up to Apache standards.

But the Dutch have apaches (AH-64D no less), so I guess they're good
enough for your standards?

Any more sniping uninformed comments?

Peter Kemp