Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: "Jarg"
Date: 6/29/2004 9:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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In an 8 to 1 decision the scotus kicked Bush on the ass for his
trashing
of the
Bill of Rights. It is about time Bush was placed on the slippery slope
he
so
well desreves. Thank you SCOTUS. Even the neocons have had enough of
him



What a strange conclusion! I'm not sure who these neocons are you keep
mentioning (and I bet you don't know either, it's probably just a new
catch
phrase you learned and like to use to avoid having to try to express
complex
ideas) but the Supreme Court has ruled against the government many times
over the last few years. What makes this ruling so significant?

The ruling is pretty complicated. You can read some of the details he

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../washpost/2004
0629/ts_washpost/a13350_2004jun28

Jarg

Bush's defense was that in time of war balance of powers no longer exist
and
the president as commander in chief has final word on all issues.


Could you provide a reference for this contention? I have never heard
anything like this from President Bush myself. The description of the court
decision doens't mention it either. The ruling was regarding the legal
rights of enemy combatants.


SCOTUS said
"war does not give the president a blank check to go outside the
constitution
and the bill of rights.". That slaps down Bush's delusions of grandeur.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: "Jarg"
Date: 6/29/2004 10:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: "Jarg"
Date: 6/29/2004 9:28 AM Pacific Standard Time
Message-id:

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
...
In an 8 to 1 decision the scotus kicked Bush on the ass for his
trashing
of the
Bill of Rights. It is about time Bush was placed on the slippery slope
he
so
well desreves. Thank you SCOTUS. Even the neocons have had enough of
him



What a strange conclusion! I'm not sure who these neocons are you keep
mentioning (and I bet you don't know either, it's probably just a new
catch
phrase you learned and like to use to avoid having to try to express
complex
ideas) but the Supreme Court has ruled against the government many times
over the last few years. What makes this ruling so significant?

The ruling is pretty complicated. You can read some of the details he

http://story.news.yahoo.com/news?tmp.../washpost/2004
0629/ts_washpost/a13350_2004jun28

Jarg

Bush's defense was that in time of war balance of powers no longer exist
and
the president as commander in chief has final word on all issues.


Could you provide a reference for this contention? I have never heard
anything like this from President Bush myself. The description of the court
decision doens't mention it either. The ruling was regarding the legal
rights of enemy combatants.


SCOTUS said
"war does not give the president a blank check to go outside the
constitution
and the bill of rights.". That slaps down Bush's delusions of grandeur.



Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer


Read the caselaw


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: "Jarg"
Date: 6/29/2004 10:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
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http://www.coastcomp.com

Read the caselaw


That's it? You make these claims and then you can't provide any supporting
citations? Your already limited credibility continues to drop.

Jarg

Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: "Jarg"
Date: 6/29/2004 12:18 PM Pacific Standard Time
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"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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Subject: Even the SCOTUS is fed up with Bush's nonsense.
From: "Jarg"
Date: 6/29/2004 10:37 AM Pacific Standard Time
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http://www.coastcomp.com

Read the caselaw


That's it? You make these claims and then you can't provide any supporting
citations? Your already limited credibility continues to drop.

Jarg


You obviously don't know what caselaw is. Caselaw is the ultimate credibility
in a supreme court decision. And since you have descended to personal
insults...PLONK !


Arthur Kramer
344th BG 494th BS
England, France, Belgium, Holland, Germany
Visit my WW II B-26 website at:
http://www.coastcomp.com/artkramer

On 29 Jun 2004 22:42:46 GMT, (ArtKramr) proclaimed:

And since you have descended to personal
insults...PLONK !

Oh my God!

Not the dreaded PLONK!

What a cruel fate.

Greasy Rider @ Invalid.com wrote in message
news
On 29 Jun 2004 22:42:46 GMT, (ArtKramr) proclaimed:

And since you have descended to personal
insults...PLONK !

Oh my God!

Not the dreaded PLONK!

What a cruel fate.

But an great tactic to avoid having your nose rubbed in a losing an
argument! And did you notice that the "personal insults" didn't
actually occur? I'm afraid the poor guy is deteriorating quickly.

Jarg

On Tue, 29 Jun 2004 23:19:05 GMT, "Jarg"
proclaimed:

But an great tactic to avoid having your nose rubbed in a losing an
argument! And did you notice that the "personal insults" didn't
actually occur? I'm afraid the poor guy is deteriorating quickly.

I don't follow the adventures of Mr. Kramer but occasionally discover
him embroiled in some misadventure. I think his ego is his greatest
problem along with some sensitivity to probing. I have a great deal of
respect for accomplished aviators but some may need to stick to their
laurels. It's easier to admire the silent type than one who opens his
mouth and promptly sticks his foot in it.

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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You obviously don't know what caselaw is. Caselaw is the ultimate
credibility
in a supreme court decision. And since you have descended to personal
insults...PLONK !


What personal insult?

"ArtKramr" wrote in message
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You obviously don't know what caselaw is. Caselaw is the ultimate
credibility
in a supreme court decision. And since you have descended to personal
insults...PLONK !



That's the weakest surrender in an argument I've ever seen in a news group.
What exactly was the personal insult? When you wrongly throw around an
epithet and then can't support your claim, what do you want? Essentially
hiding from him only places neon lights around what should be your
embarrasment.

Neocons are former liberals, usually Jewish, that found that the Democrats
had turned to chic radicalism simply for the sake of trying to impress their
cohorts rather than actually supporting ghastly ideas like tolerance,
respect for the individual, end to predjudice, and rational defense of
freedom. Neo, in that they are newly-minted conservatives in comparison to
us that have always been conservative, sometime called paleocon. The
Neocons are the last ones in the RNC to buy the religious arguments some
would prefer. They are among the most secular in the party. But don't let
any facts get between your high blood pressure and your keyboard.


--
Scott

"I don't need to know very much about you or your ideas to know that if you
think Michael Moore is just great, a truth-teller and a much-needed tonic
for everything that is wrong in American life, you are not someone to take
seriously about anything of political consequence, or you are French. But I
repeat myself." - Jonah Goldberg

Neocons are former liberals, usually Jewish, that found that the Democrats
had turned to chic radicalism simply for the sake of trying to impress their
cohorts rather than actually supporting ghastly ideas like tolerance,
respect for the individual, end to predjudice, and rational defense of
freedom. Neo, in that they are newly-minted conservatives in comparison to
us that have always been conservative, sometime called paleocon. The
Neocons are the last ones in the RNC to buy the religious arguments some
would prefer. They are among the most secular in the party. But don't let
any facts get between your high blood pressure and your keyboard.



I found the comment about William F Buckley and National Review being so bad
and "Neocon" amusing. WFB has been a conservative all his life, has had
National Review for 50 years, and is for drug legalization. The magazine is a
journal of intelligent conservative/libertarian political discourse.

If one wants emotional sloganeering and someone who plays fast and loose with
the facts, just go to the movie theatre


Ron
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Pune, India