Starts Procedures ; Proposal

Spreading folks out seems good and the Belgian rule is interesting. If you are leaching under this rule, then would you just stick with your host as best you could before the start? If this happens, could the rule increase congestion.

EM rule 1 seems the simplest. How would it interact with team flying?

Problem with all event marker proposals is our use of several loggers. In an event were even one logger would malfunction, pilot would have to score zero, even if other loggers would function normally. Otherwise you have a possibility to press event marker at two (or more) different intervals and just empty the other logger's memory and say it did not work after the flight..

That's why in Belgium's proposal, the files of both the primary and secondary logger need to be submitted every day. If there is a difference between the two loggers in event marker push of more than 1 minute, a penalty is given.

There is also another method possible in which the primary logger is the only logger that counts, unless proof is given that that primary logger has malfunctioned. If that proof can not be given, a penalty is given.

What the exact best procedure is, needs still some trying out and debate as well, but I do not think this will be to much of a problem.

The leech can follow the leader all he wants before the startline, but he can not look inside the leaders cockpit. He thus can't see when or if he presses the event marker. If the leader wants to get rid of a leech, he can make a fake start without pushing the event marker. The leech follows, and is forced to push his event marker if he wants to start. The leader flies back, wait a couple of minutes, and then takes his real start. The leech either continues without the leader, or he flies back with the leader, but is now forced to wait 15 minutes for his next start, and can't start when the leader leaves.

Do this a few days in a row, and even a persistent leech will give up on even trying to follow. (At least if the theoretical concept works in practice).

I thus don't think it would increase congestion, on the contrary.

Pilots flying in team can communicate their thoughts on starting by talking in code. That's already pretty common in other aspects when discussing tactics on the radio. So, I don't think there is too much of an impact there.

I am not sure if another contest will try that first event marker system, but I like it as well. Would be good to compare if some did.

I would say that this proposal is beautiful. It will brake down the start game, all competitions have to make there own tactical decision about when to start.

In Kawas(or any one else in leading position) case is there no need to make an false start to trig the leachers (as it is today). When the leader is starting are all the leachers at least 10min behind as they has not pressed the event button when needed. The concept of have to be in the gaggle disappears as there will be no gaggles. All pilots has to make their own idea of the right starting time and that with 10-20min in advance. The only gaggle that will appear is by those who had the same idea of what is the “right� time to start.

On Tuesday, February 5, 2019 at 9:48:15 AM UTC+2, Per Carlin wrote:
I would say that this proposal is beautiful. It will brake down the start game, all competitions have to make there own tactical decision about when to start.

In Kawas(or any one else in leading position) case is there no need to make an false start to trig the leachers (as it is today). When the leader is starting are all the leachers at least 10min behind as they has not pressed the event button when needed. The concept of have to be in the gaggle disappears as there will be no gaggles. All pilots has to make their own idea of the right starting time and that with 10-20min in advance. The only gaggle that will appear is by those who had the same idea of what is the “right� time to start.

The dynamics of start game will be this: top team, the leaders, will start. Everyone else will press event button and start 10 minutes later. Instead of 50 glider gaggle we will have a one pair followed by 48 glider gaggle. Sorry for cynicism.