Affect of Alcohol (Beer) on Soaring and Soaring Racing

Thanks.... very interesting. Kawa's take on it would be interesting to hear since he is a MD - maybe if he does another interview we can ask him.

my uneducated felling is that your assumptions are pretty on point. Another data point that would be interesting is if your body is use to a few drinks a night and then you stop, what is the affect. I know there have been lots of info on work and the effect of Caffeine both for improvement and what happens during withdraw.

Your comment on R.A.S. - point taken - I am OK with a tad of Humor.... often a good thing LOL - but I do think it is a interesting subject -

From a Contest/Safety view.... how we fuel our body and the effect it has on Soaring is very interesting... at least to me LOL

WH

There is a study I saw years ago regarding performance of fighter pilots both drunk and hungover. IIRC this was done in Sweden at some point in the 80s. Couldn't find it with a quick google search, but this one did come up: "Using a repeated measures counterbalanced design, the authors had 10 Navy P3-C Orion pilots fly two carefully designed simulated flights under control (no hangover) and hangover conditions. For the control condition, pilots drank no alcohol within 48 hours before the simulated flight. For the hangover condition, they flew 14 hours after drinking enough ethanol mixed with diet soft drinks to attain a blood alcohol concentration of 100 mg/dl. Pilot performance was worse in the hangover condition on virtually all measures but significantly worse on three of six variance measures and one of six performance measures. The results indicate that caution should be exercised when piloting an aircraft 14 hours or less after ingesting similar quantities of alcohol."

On Wed, 20 Feb 2019 08:32:48 -0800, Papa3 wrote:

There is a study I saw years ago regarding performance of fighter pilots
both drunk and hungover. IIRC this was done in Sweden at some point in
the 80s. Couldn't find it with a quick google search, but this one did
come up: "Using a repeated measures counterbalanced design, the authors
had 10 Navy P3-C Orion pilots fly two carefully designed simulated
flights under control (no hangover) and hangover conditions. For the
control condition, pilots drank no alcohol within 48 hours before the
simulated flight. For the hangover condition, they flew 14 hours after
drinking enough ethanol mixed with diet soft drinks to attain a blood
alcohol concentration of 100 mg/dl. Pilot performance was worse in the
hangover condition on virtually all measures but significantly worse on
three of six variance measures and one of six performance measures. The
results indicate that caution should be exercised when piloting an
aircraft 14 hours or less after ingesting similar quantities of
alcohol.

Interesting, especially with the "8hrs bottle to throttle" quoted earlier.

FWIW, as one of those flying from a club with a well-stocked bar
(patronised after hangar packing is complete and everything put away),
I've always heard the safe post-alcohol no-fly time quoted as

"Twelve hours bottle to throttle"


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On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:32:51 AM UTC+13, Papa3 wrote:
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For the hangover condition, they flew 14 hours after drinking enough ethanol mixed with diet soft drinks to attain a blood alcohol concentration of 100 mg/dl.

A questionable study, if in fact the ethanol was "mixed with diet soft drinks" that contained aspartame (a confounding variable). Aspartame, according to retired food scientist Dr Woodrow Monte (a former neighbor of mine in the South Island), is the most dangerous food additive on the market today. It changes the ratio of amino acids in the blood, blocking or lowering the levels of serotonin, tyrosine, dopamine, norepinephrine, and adrenaline. Even though it is touted as natural, it has a synthetic methyl group on one of the amino acids that rapidly breaks down to methanol (wood alcohol). According to Dr Monte, methyl alcohol is metabolized differently in the human body compared to other animals, and is far more toxic in humans, which is why studies have trouble nailing down the hazards related to aspartame, because most rely on animal, not human studies. Methyl alcohol, after it is taken up by the body as a "Trojan horse" into susceptible tissues such as the brain, converts rapidly into formaldehyde, causing serious damage to proteins and DNA.

Fresh fruits and veggies contain minute amounts of methanol, but there's a natural mechanism that makes it harmless. Pectin firmly binds to methanol, allowing it to simply pass through your body and be excreted, because the human body does not have the enzymes to break that bond. If you or anyone you know drinks diet sodas (or uses NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, Equal-Measure), then have him or her look at Woody's website -- WhileScienceSleeps dot com. Or get a copy of his book, as I did -- While Science Sleeps, a Sweetener Kills.

And, for the record (being as I am P7 SCUM), Gary quaffs more of his own brew on both contest days and rest days than does any other competitor. Perhaps there's a *secret ingredient* in Papa 7 Brewery kegs that confers a competitive advantage.

Yes Gary does make great beer! Thanks Gary. I spent several years flying with the late "OF" in Phoenix and as both of us enjoyed a good "party" after flying we had more than a few discussions about the matter. And his take was that he tried it both ways and found that it made no difference in his personnel experience. He usually got into trouble for his antics while flying not drinking

CH

Alcohol may not improve your soaring but does help you deal with some of the insufferable contest pilots!

Mike

lol, yes Mike it jas helped

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:32:51 AM UTC+13, Papa3 wrote:
snip

For the hangover condition, they flew 14 hours after drinking enough ethanol mixed with diet soft drinks to attain a blood alcohol concentration of 100 mg/dl.

A questionable study, if in fact the ethanol was "mixed with diet soft drinks" that contained aspartame (a confounding variable). Aspartame, according to retired food scientist Dr Woodrow Monte (a former neighbor of mine in the South Island), is the most dangerous food additive on the market today. It changes the ratio of amino acids in the blood, blocking or lowering the levels of serotonin, tyrosine, dopamine, norepinephrine, and adrenaline.. Even though it is touted as natural, it has a synthetic methyl group on one of the amino acids that rapidly breaks down to methanol (wood alcohol). According to Dr Monte, methyl alcohol is metabolized differently in the human body compared to other animals, and is far more toxic in humans, which is why studies have trouble nailing down the hazards related to aspartame, because most rely on animal, not human studies. Methyl alcohol, after it is taken up by the body as a "Trojan horse" into susceptible tissues such as the brain, converts rapidly into formaldehyde, causing serious damage to proteins and DNA.

Fresh fruits and veggies contain minute amounts of methanol, but there's a natural mechanism that makes it harmless. Pectin firmly binds to methanol, allowing it to simply pass through your body and be excreted, because the human body does not have the enzymes to break that bond. If you or anyone you know drinks diet sodas (or uses NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, Equal-Measure), then have him or her look at Woody's website -- WhileScienceSleeps dot com. Or get a copy of his book, as I did -- While Science Sleeps, a Sweetener Kills.

And, for the record (being as I am P7 SCUM), Gary quaffs more of his own brew on both contest days and rest days than does any other competitor. Perhaps there's a *secret ingredient* in Papa 7 Brewery kegs that confers a competitive advantage.

Yet another aspartame hoax:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130505...health-hoax-2/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ews-180961880/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/as...-sweet-poison/

2G wrote on 2/24/2019 7:53 PM:

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-8, wrote:

On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:32:51 AM UTC+13, Papa3 wrote:

snip



For the hangover condition, they flew 14 hours after drinking enough ethanol mixed with diet soft drinks to attain a blood alcohol concentration of 100 mg/dl.


A questionable study, if in fact the ethanol was "mixed with diet soft drinks" that contained aspartame (a confounding variable). Aspartame, according to retired food scientist Dr Woodrow Monte (a former neighbor of mine in the South Island), is the most dangerous food additive on the market today. It changes the ratio of amino acids in the blood, blocking or lowering the levels of serotonin, tyrosine, dopamine, norepinephrine, and adrenaline.. Even though it is touted as natural, it has a synthetic methyl group on one of the amino acids that rapidly breaks down to methanol (wood alcohol). According to Dr Monte, methyl alcohol is metabolized differently in the human body compared to other animals, and is far more toxic in humans, which is why studies have trouble nailing down the hazards related to aspartame, because most rely on animal, not human studies. Methyl alcohol, after it is taken up by the body as a "Trojan horse" into susceptible tissues such as the brain, converts rapidly into formaldehyde, causing serious damage to proteins and DNA.

Fresh fruits and veggies contain minute amounts of methanol, but there's a natural mechanism that makes it harmless. Pectin firmly binds to methanol, allowing it to simply pass through your body and be excreted, because the human body does not have the enzymes to break that bond. If you or anyone you know drinks diet sodas (or uses NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, Equal-Measure), then have him or her look at Woody's website -- WhileScienceSleeps dot com. Or get a copy of his book, as I did -- While Science Sleeps, a Sweetener Kills.

And, for the record (being as I am P7 SCUM), Gary quaffs more of his own brew on both contest days and rest days than does any other competitor. Perhaps there's a *secret ingredient* in Papa 7 Brewery kegs that confers a competitive advantage.


Yet another aspartame hoax:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130505...health-hoax-2/

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ews-180961880/

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/as...-sweet-poison/


There are scientific studies showing more than two diet drinks a day are linked to
some health issues, including strokes. This new article by Consumer Reports covers
some them:

https://www.consumerreports.org/suga...223_nsltr_food




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Eric Greenwell - Washington State, USA (change ".netto" to ".us" to email me)
- "A Guide to Self-Launching Sailplane Operation"
https://sites.google.com/site/motorg...ad-the-guide-1
- "Transponders in Sailplanes - Dec 2014a" also ADS-B, PCAS, Flarm

http://soaringsafety.org/prevention/...anes-2014A.pdf

Dump the diet sodas.Â* Drink Jolt - Twice the sugar, Caffiene - the real
thing. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jolt_Cola

You'll be buzzing out on course, probably ****ing a lot, too!

On 2/24/2019 9:24 PM, Eric Greenwell wrote:
2G wrote on 2/24/2019 7:53 PM:
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 3:34:30 PM UTC-8,
wrote:
On Thursday, February 21, 2019 at 5:32:51 AM UTC+13, Papa3 wrote:
snip

For the hangover condition, they flew 14 hours after drinking
enough ethanol mixed with diet soft drinks to attain a blood
alcohol concentration of 100 mg/dl.

A questionable study, if in fact the ethanol was "mixed with diet
soft drinks" that contained aspartame (a confounding variable).Â*
Aspartame, according to retired food scientist Dr Woodrow Monte (a
former neighbor of mine in the South Island), is the most dangerous
food additive on the market today.Â* It changes the ratio of amino
acids in the blood, blocking or lowering the levels of serotonin,
tyrosine, dopamine, norepinephrine, and adrenaline..Â* Even though it
is touted as natural, it has a synthetic methyl group on one of the
amino acids that rapidly breaks down to methanol (wood alcohol).
According to Dr Monte, methyl alcohol is metabolized differently in
the human body compared to other animals, and is far more toxic in
humans, which is why studies have trouble nailing down the hazards
related to aspartame, because most rely on animal, not human
studies.Â* Methyl alcohol, after it is taken up by the body as a
"Trojan horse" into susceptible tissues such as the brain, converts
rapidly into formaldehyde, causing serious damage to proteins and DNA.

Fresh fruits and veggies contain minute amounts of methanol, but
there's a natural mechanism that makes it harmless. Pectin firmly
binds to methanol, allowing it to simply pass through your body and
be excreted, because the human body does not have the enzymes to
break that bond.Â* If you or anyone you know drinks diet sodas (or
uses NutraSweet, Equal, Spoonful, Equal-Measure), then have him or
her look at Woody's website -- WhileScienceSleeps dot com.Â* Or get a
copy of his book, as I did -- While Science Sleeps, a Sweetener Kills.

And, for the record (being as I am P7 SCUM), Gary quaffs more of his
own brew on both contest days and rest days than does any other
competitor.Â* Perhaps there's a *secret ingredient* in Papa 7 Brewery
kegs that confers a competitive advantage.

Yet another aspartame hoax:

https://web.archive.org/web/20130505...health-hoax-2/


https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart...ews-180961880/


https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/as...-sweet-poison/

There are scientific studies showing more than two diet drinks a day
are linked to some health issues, including strokes. This new article
by Consumer Reports covers some them:

https://www.consumerreports.org/suga...223_nsltr_food






--
Dan, 5J