Some bad controllers

Cecil E. Chapman wrote:
The answer to your question as well as to the general question of who is
responsible for closing any flight plan is: The pilot-in-command

Though generally speaking when you land at a towered airport they usually
close your IFR flight plan for you,,, but it is more a courtesy rather than
something they are 'responsible' for,,, so-to-speak. In the end it is the
responsibility of the PIC


I don't believe the statement above relative to an IFR flight plan to a
towered airport is correct. In that case the procedure is that ATC
closes the flight plan for the pilot. This is the standard procedure,
not a "courtesy" to the pilot.


Matt

I guess to be clearer,,, since I'm getting a lot of reply threads to my
post.... I suppose I am answering in the manner that the D.E. would like, in
answer to the question, "Who is ultimately responsible for whether a flight
plan gets closed or not?" The D.E., would be looking for the response,,,,,
the pilot-in-command.....

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"Jay Somerset" wrote in message
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Taking a different track, so i changed the thread/subject line...

If you are on a composite flight plan (VFR, then IFR) who is responsible
for
closing the VFR portion of the plan? If the VFR plan is not closed (with
FSS if a true VFR plan) then SAR will be initiated if they cannot get hold
of you within an hour or two.

How does this work with a composite flight plan?



On Sun, 07 Mar 2004 15:39:17 -0800, Jeff wrote:

Just a quick note to any of you guys flying IFR into the phoenix area.
I just got back from a trip to phoenix from vegas, I had filed a
composit flgiht plan, VFR untill I was by phoenix then I would request
my IFR if it was needed since FSS reported overcast at 2700 and few at
600.

freezing level was 7000-8000, MEA was 9000 in some parts and 10,000
during other parts of route. I chose VFR the first part of the flight so
I could have the latitude to dodge clouds to prevent icing.

all went fine, I got handed off to phoenix approach, I was at 12,000 ft
on top of the layer, no way into phoenix except through that mess
either. So I asked phoenix for my IFR and he said I was cleared into
class B and to decend to 7000 and he would look for my clearence. I
start my decent, between some clouds and he comes back and says to turn
toward carefree if I want to pick up my IFR because he was to busy. no
one was talking except me.
then he told me to stay clear of class B. so here I am now down from my
safe altitude above the clouds, a nitwit controller, I zig zag between
some clouds and call him again, he says he cant see me on radar and to
turn towards carefree, so I figured I would follow the valley under some
clouds, then my wife says dont turn that way, that mountain is covered
by clouds, so I get back on the radio and tell the controller he got me
down here, I amnow stuck and I needed my clearence or I would be in
trouble. He finally said, ok, and gave it to me. man that guy ****ed me
off. there was another guy trying to do the same thing as me in a
cessna, right after I got my clearence, and the controller told him to
stay at 2500 ft and turn towards carefree because he was "saturated"
with IFR departures. Yet no one else was talking. then here I am in
these nasty clouds, outside temp about -2, he gives me to decend to
6000, then right after that screams at me traffic alert decend to 5000
...so I am in total IMC diving down to 5000 ft.. then he does not want
me to do the ILS, he tells me to decend to 2700 ft and to be prepared
for the visual. man what a crappy flight - and I didnt even tell you
about the 1500 fpm downdraft or when my engine started losing power.

that controller still has me ****ed off and its 2 days later.

Do people really use composite flight plans? I have never done one. I
usually file 2 flight plans. Or more likely just get flight following until
I pick up the IFR.



jerry

"Jay Somerset" wrote in message
...
Taking a different track, so i changed the thread/subject line...

If you are on a composite flight plan (VFR, then IFR) who is responsible
for
closing the VFR portion of the plan? If the VFR plan is not closed (with
FSS if a true VFR plan) then SAR will be initiated if they cannot get hold
of you within an hour or two.

How does this work with a composite flight plan?