Any traffic please advise

"ET" wrote:

If I haven't seen the traffic before the ATC call, I scan for 3-5
seconds. If I can't find the traffic after this time, I reply "ATC,
N12345, negative contact on the traffic."

Matt


Hrrm, well, I'm still a student pilot (2-2000 mile+ cross countries as a
pax handling the radio though with FF) but to me that just sounds like
"I looked for 3-5 seconds and gave up..."

That isn't what it means to controllers. And I wouldn't use "...on the
traffic" as part of the phrase. It's redundant.

You must understand the reason for the two standard responses. The
controller is not interested in how you are spending your time in the
airplane. He needs to know DO YOU SEE THE TRAFFIC OR NOT? The answer to
that question will affect how he works your target and other nearby traffic.

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

"Alan Gerber" wrote:
It depends. At the Class D airport where I fly, the controller won't
clear you to land behind somebody until you report them in sight.

Really??

Sure. "Cherokee NNN, number two to land, behind the Cessna on base",
followed by "Cherokee NNN, traffic in sight", gets me "Cherokee NNN,
cleared to land, number two". (With runway number added, of course.)

Yes, I've had that happen, but I also frequently get cleared to land behind
other traffic in the pattern without reporting it in sight. Don't you?

--
Dan
C172RG at BFM

ET writes:

Matt Whiting wrote in
:

ET wrote:
"Dan Luke" wrote in
:


"Viperdoc" wrote:


Have to agree that "looking" in response to a traffic call is
reasonable. Saying "roger" makes it unclear as to whether you
actually have the traffic in sight.

Both responses are incorrect.

"Traffic in sight (the correct response) makes it very clear that you
have the traffic in sight.



OK, then what do YOU say to ack. the call, but you have not yet seen
the traffic????

If I haven't seen the traffic before the ATC call, I scan for 3-5
seconds. If I can't find the traffic after this time, I reply "ATC,
N12345, negative contact on the traffic."

Matt


Hrrm, well, I'm still a student pilot (2-2000 mile+ cross countries as a
pax handling the radio though with FF) but to me that just sounds like
"I looked for 3-5 seconds and gave up..."

Never Give Up.

"Christopher C. Stacy" wrote in message
...

Never Give Up.


Never surrender.

Jose wrote:
The frequency isn't any less busy 500 ms after the call than 5000 ms
after the call.


That's not my experience. When a controller is being rapid-fire, there
is a slight pause after his transmission wherein he expects a response.
That 500 ms is quieter.

Well, if you can do a reasonable search for traffic that you haven't
previously spotted and reply back within half a second, you're a better
man than me. And a better liar as well. :-)

Matt

"Christopher C. Stacy" wrote in message
...

Why aren't you going to be "looking" if you're in IMC?


Because you are "looking" at the panel and there is nothing to see outside
but clouds?


You're in IMC whenever local conditions are less than what is required for
VFR flight. There can be plenty to see outside under those conditions.

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 18:27:35 GMT, "Steven P. McNicoll"
wrote:

"Christopher C. Stacy" wrote in message
...

Never Give Up.


Never surrender.

Try to avoid being French...

Try to avoid being French...

Look up, you missed it.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

"Larry Dighera" wrote in message
...
On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 12:40:20 GMT, B A R R Y
wrote in
:

On Sat, 26 Aug 2006 00:17:17 GMT, "Dave Stadt"
wrote:

My best one I have heard was some knucklehead who asked "any traffic in
the
area say intentions." I did exactly what he asked.


Did you include what you planned on having on the pizza later, and if
you decided to wash the car after you landed? G


He probably uttered "intentions" into the microphone, thus
substituting a lame attempt at humor for professionalism in a critical
phase of flight.

Yes, yes, yes it was the deadly 80 mph downwind leg with no one in the
patttern complicated by pushing a button and saying one word. I understand
billions are killed every year in this very situation. Oh, the horror of it
all!

Dan Luke wrote:
Sure. "Cherokee NNN, number two to land, behind the Cessna on base",
followed by "Cherokee NNN, traffic in sight", gets me "Cherokee NNN,
cleared to land, number two". (With runway number added, of course.)

Yes, I've had that happen, but I also frequently get cleared to land behind
other traffic in the pattern without reporting it in sight. Don't you?

Nope. They always wait for you to have the traffic in sight before
issuing the clearance. I thought that was standard.

.... Alan

--
Alan Gerber
gerber AT panix DOT com