Any traffic please advise

Just received the following from the FAA Designee Notification system.
Checked out the AIM on the FAA web site and the wording is included.

Kris

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The inane practice of using the phrase “any traffic please advise” has
become so wide spread that the FAA has finally included a “do not do
this” in the latest version of the AIM. You will find the following
quote at paragraph 4-1-9 G 1 in the latest version of the AIM:

Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or
intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF.
This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on
the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot
is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots
stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized
Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used
under any condition.

If you do not have a current copy of the AIM, you can reference one
online at:

http://www.faa.gov/ATPUBS/AIM/

Bob Linenweber, ASI
314-890-4864


OPS DESIGNEE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM

Kris Kortokrax wrote:

Pilots
stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized
Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used
under any condition.

Hallelujah!

--
Peter

"Kris Kortokrax" wrote:

The inane practice of using the phrase “any traffic please advise” has
become so wide spread that the FAA has finally included a “do not do this”
in the latest version of the AIM.

That's great, but the ones clueless enough to say it are that way because of
chronic inability to ever FIND a clue. They are unlikely to go looking for
one in the AIM. Maybe it will settle some hangar flying arguments.

Many people parrot what they hear without a thought about its usefulness or
suitability, "with you," "checking in," "looking," etc, for example. Once
stuff like this gets loose in the pilot community, it's harder to get rid of
than cockroaches.

--
Dan

"It's not smart or correct, it's just one of the things that make us what we
are."
--Red Green

One of my all time pet peeves.
I've even heard it transformed into "Any other traffic, please watch out"
Jim

"Kris Kortokrax" wrote in message
news
Just received the following from the FAA Designee Notification system.
Checked out the AIM on the FAA web site and the wording is included.

Kris

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The inane practice of using the phrase “any traffic please advise” has
become so wide spread that the FAA has finally included a “do not do
this” in the latest version of the AIM. You will find the following
quote at paragraph 4-1-9 G 1 in the latest version of the AIM:

Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or
intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF.
This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on
the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot
is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots
stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized
Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used
under any condition.

If you do not have a current copy of the AIM, you can reference one
online at:

http://www.faa.gov/ATPUBS/AIM/

Bob Linenweber, ASI
314-890-4864


OPS DESIGNEE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM

"Dan Luke" wrote:
That's great, but the ones clueless enough to say it are that way because of
chronic inability to ever FIND a clue. They are unlikely to go looking for
one in the AIM. Maybe it will settle some hangar flying arguments.

Many people parrot what they hear without a thought about its usefulness or
suitability, "with you," "checking in," "looking," etc, for example. Once
stuff like this gets loose in the pilot community, it's harder to get rid of
than cockroaches.

You're right about the parroting. I've read many of the example radio
calls in the FAR/AIM but don't remember reading that "traffic in the
area please advise" is frowned upon. My first CFI always did that so I
thought it was accepted (just call me "Polly"!). People around here use
it a lot, and good thing as there are some at uncontrolled airports who
think it isn't necessary to self-announce. The "please advise" request
has prompted a position report in some instances where none was being
given until then. Granted, you shouldn't have to ask, but if that's what
it takes ... ?

At a safety seminar, a controller explained that "with you" indicates
that you're being handed off. He said never use "with you" on a first
call, as that makes the controller look for your information, which he
doesn't have.

"Looking" is another one that is used frequently here at our Class D
airport. Why is that wrong? It indicates that the person heard the
advisory and is looking but doesn't yet see the traffic, it's clear,
concise, and brief. ?

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 15:05:57 GMT, Kris Kortokrax
wrote:

Just received the following from the FAA Designee Notification system.
Checked out the AIM on the FAA web site and the wording is included.

Kris

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The inane practice of using the phrase ?any traffic please advise? has
become so wide spread that the FAA has finally included a ?do not do
this? in the latest version of the AIM. You will find the following
quote at paragraph 4-1-9 G 1 in the latest version of the AIM:

Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or
intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF.
This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on
the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot
is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots
stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized
Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used
under any condition.

If you do not have a current copy of the AIM, you can reference one
online at:

http://www.faa.gov/ATPUBS/AIM/

Bob Linenweber, ASI
314-890-4864


OPS DESIGNEE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM

Let me get my calendar out and mark this date (the Feds did something
that makes sense!).

One of my pet peeves is folks blabbing on CTAF while they're miles
away asking what's going on at "their" destination airport.

I try to come prepared arriving @ my destination airport and I'll
tend to know in advance (with reasonable accuracy) which way the
traffic pattern will be. I like to *listen* (miles away) on CTAF to
monitor activities at my destination airport before I get there. If
there is no activity, I'll try to dial up an AWOS or ATIS at a nearby
airport and see what the winds are there (chances are if it's
reasonably close by, the winds will be the same).

It would seem some folks cruise along towards their destination
airport, switch frequencies to CTAF and (without listening first),
start asking questions about which way folks are landing there,
thereby tying up the frequency (it gets worse when several relatively
local airports share the same CTAF frequency).

Using the phrase "Please advise" doesn't address NORDO aircraft
operating in the area, and attempts to move the responsibility
from the approaching pilot over to those who are already in the
traffic pattern to inform the former what's going on....

The next thing the Feds need to make verboten is folks who
fire up and broadcast over CTAF that they're going to taxi
from their parking spot over to the active runway (what possible
purpose could that information / transmission serve?).

Bela P. Havasreti

It can be very useful when the freq is quiet. Often times you'll find
that if students are in the pattern they only talk when turning. If a
student pilot is on downwind, if you don't ask, you probably won't hear
him on the radio until he's turning base, possibly in front of you.

-robert


Kris Kortokrax wrote:
Just received the following from the FAA Designee Notification system.
Checked out the AIM on the FAA web site and the wording is included.

Kris

--------------------------------------------------------


The inane practice of using the phrase "any traffic please advise" has
become so wide spread that the FAA has finally included a "do not do
this" in the latest version of the AIM. You will find the following
quote at paragraph 4-1-9 G 1 in the latest version of the AIM:

Self-announce is a procedure whereby pilots broadcast their position or
intended flight activity or ground operation on the designated CTAF.
This procedure is used primarily at airports which do not have an FSS on
the airport. The self-announce procedure should also be used if a pilot
is unable to communicate with the FSS on the designated CTAF. Pilots
stating, "Traffic in the area, please advise" is not a recognized
Self-Announce Position and/or Intention phrase and should not be used
under any condition.

If you do not have a current copy of the AIM, you can reference one
online at:

http://www.faa.gov/ATPUBS/AIM/

Bob Linenweber, ASI
314-890-4864


OPS DESIGNEE NOTIFICATION SYSTEM

It can be very useful when the freq is quiet. Often times you'll find
that if students are in the pattern they only talk when turning. If a
student pilot is on downwind, if you don't ask, you probably won't hear
him on the radio until he's turning base, possibly in front of you.

You should be listening on the frequency for long enough that such
students have made several such turns before you are close enough for
that to matter. Make your own position report. That should be enough
of a prompt for pilots in the area to respond if warranted.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

The next thing the Feds need to make verboten is folks who
fire up and broadcast over CTAF that they're going to taxi
from their parking spot over to the active runway (what possible
purpose could that information / transmission serve?).

It alerts incoming aircraft of a likely departure. For a number of
reasons they may miss the actual departure announcement, and can use
this taxi information to position themselves, or to ask whether they can
land prior, or should wait until after their departure.

I find it useful. It also doens't clog the freq much, since the
tranmission originates on the ground.

Jose
--
The monkey turns the crank and thinks he's making the music.
for Email, make the obvious change in the address.

In article ,
Jose wrote:
It alerts incoming aircraft of a likely departure. For a number of
reasons they may miss the actual departure announcement, and can use
this taxi information to position themselves, or to ask whether they can
land prior, or should wait until after their departure.

I find it useful. It also doens't clog the freq much, since the
tranmission originates on the ground.

That's a pretty weak argument. When I'm in the air approaching an
airport, I'm not listening for folks on the ground (if I can even hear
them), I'm listening for folks in the pattern. When I'm on final, I'm
looking for folks on the runway or runway intersections, and listening
for any departure calls.

I usually don't make taxi calls unless the taxiways are busy. The
exception to this rule is for crossing runways--I always announce my
intention to taxi across a runway, followed by a visual inspection in
both directions, before I cross.

Unfortunately, taxi calls do clog the frequency both on the ground an in
the air, and are usually unnecessary in my opinion.



JKG