Rogue IFR

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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ATC has no way of knowing that the VFR target in question is within those
limits.


Irrelevant.



Wow. With the "...about the VFR target" implied, your misunderstanding
was
understandable, if a bit surprising. But with it being called out
explicitly to you, your ignorance is downright shocking.


There was no "...about the VFR target" implied.

Where's your dissertation on ATC radar capabilities?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote

It assumes nothing at all. If a pilot reports he's in the
clouds, then any other
aircraft that is within 2000 feet horizontally, 1000 feet above,
or 500 feet below
the reporting aircraft MUST be in IMC.

ATC's definition may be different, but I found these defined on
the web.


From FAR Part 1
IFR conditions means weather conditions below the minimum for
flight under visual flight rules.

This seems to be the definition that you are using for IMC.



From http://www.visi.com/~lindowdy/aviation/glossary.htm
Glossary of Aviation Terms
IMC instrument meteorlogical conditions; unable to see visual
references outside the plane

This seems to be the definition that most mortal pilots use.

Bob Moore

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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ATC has no way of knowing that the VFR target in question is within
those
limits.

Irrelevant.

You wish it was. Unfortunately for you, it's exactly the point.

There was no "...about the VFR target" implied.

You presume to tell me what is or is not implied by my own post?

Where's your dissertation on ATC radar capabilities?

What dissertation?

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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You presume to tell me what is or is not implied by my own post?


Yup.



What dissertation?


The one in which you explain the capabilities of ATC radar.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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You presume to tell me what is or is not implied by my own post?

Yup.

Not that your arrogance surprises me.

The one in which you explain the capabilities of ATC radar.

Isn't that something you, as a controller, already ought to be familiar
with?

Pete

"Peter Duniho" wrote in message
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Not that your arrogance surprises me.


Pot... Kettle...



Isn't that something you, as a controller, already ought to be familiar
with?


Most people would probably think so. You apparently don't share that
opinion.

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote in message
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Pot... Kettle...

Yeah, you're right. It's incredibly arrogant of me to think that I know
what my own words mean.

Most people would probably think so. You apparently don't share that
opinion.

What makes you say that?

Pete

"Robert Moore" wrote in message
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ATC's definition may be different, but I found these defined on
the web.


From FAR Part 1
IFR conditions means weather conditions below the minimum for
flight under visual flight rules.

This seems to be the definition that you are using for IMC.



From http://www.visi.com/~lindowdy/aviation/glossary.htm
Glossary of Aviation Terms
IMC instrument meteorlogical conditions; unable to see visual
references outside the plane

This seems to be the definition that most mortal pilots use.

So is that "IN CLOULDS" only considered IMC, or is ON TOP considered IMC?

"G.R. Patterson III" wrote in message ...


Ron Natalie wrote:

If they need you to do otherwise, they can instruct you.

And if they want you to stay out, they will refuse to answer you.

They'll get less frequency congestion if they tell me to stay out.
If they ignore me, I'll just keep calling. Fortunately the FAA pulled
a plug on this subterfuge in the class C's some time ago.

They'll get less frequency congestion if they tell me to stay out.
If they ignore me, I'll just keep calling. Fortunately the FAA pulled
a plug on this subterfuge in the class C's some time ago.


How?

Jose

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