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If user fees go into effect I'm done
On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:41:19 -0000, Dylan Smith
wrote in : On 2007-02-10, Mxsmanic wrote: Europeans are already accustomed to having their lives run for them by bureaucrats (now in several layers both domestic and international). It does not occur to them to _resist_ things. The ones who were willing to resist injustices and incompetence crossed the Atlantic and Pacific centuries ago. Europeans do actually resist - as evidenced by the massive response to the CAA's Mode S transponder proposals. However, the GA population is so small it is effectively disenfranchised - the CAA basically responded 'well we're going to do it anyway so there'. When you are 50,000 voters out of an electorate of 40 million, your opinion counts for nothing - especially when the CAA is leaned on heavily by moneyed corporate interests like the airlines - the executives of which can remove their donations to political parties if the CAA doesn't do what they want. In the end your only option if you don't like the CAA is to move somewhere else (typically the US). However, most pilots like enough _other_ things about their own country that they aren't prepared to move over just a single issue. It would seem there is another option, garner support from other like-minded groups of voters: ELECTORS GROUP OPPOSES USER FEES (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#194438) Well you never know who your friends are, and the aviation alphabet groups can add the League of Rural Voters to the growing list of organizations opposed to the Bush administration's plans for reorganizing the FAA. In a statement issued last week, League President Neil Ritchie described GA as the "lifeline to rural communities" and says the mix of user fees and tax increases contained in the package will force many operators to ground their light aircraft, reminding the government of just how useful that fleet can be in times of trouble. "General aviation played a crucial role in efforts to evacuate Hurricane Katrina survivors and continues to play an important role in our preparedness for future disasters," Ritchie noted. The group is even more irritated about what the plans might do to airline service in the hinterlands. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#194438 |
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"Larry Dighera" wrote in message ... On Sat, 10 Feb 2007 21:41:19 -0000, Dylan Smith wrote in : On 2007-02-10, Mxsmanic wrote: Europeans are already accustomed to having their lives run for them by bureaucrats (now in several layers both domestic and international). It does not occur to them to _resist_ things. The ones who were willing to resist injustices and incompetence crossed the Atlantic and Pacific centuries ago. Europeans do actually resist - as evidenced by the massive response to the CAA's Mode S transponder proposals. However, the GA population is so small it is effectively disenfranchised - the CAA basically responded 'well we're going to do it anyway so there'. When you are 50,000 voters out of an electorate of 40 million, your opinion counts for nothing - especially when the CAA is leaned on heavily by moneyed corporate interests like the airlines - the executives of which can remove their donations to political parties if the CAA doesn't do what they want. In the end your only option if you don't like the CAA is to move somewhere else (typically the US). However, most pilots like enough _other_ things about their own country that they aren't prepared to move over just a single issue. A couple of years ago the Eurocrat politicians tried to bring in a constitution to harmonise Europe. The people voted it out thankfully.Well in this case the Dutch and the French. The politicians got a real bloody nose. It has not stopped them trying to bring it in again, but they are in a state od shambles. People power. |
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On 2007-02-13, Chris wrote:
A couple of years ago the Eurocrat politicians tried to bring in a constitution to harmonise Europe. The people voted it out thankfully.Well in this case the Dutch and the French. The politicians got a real bloody nose. It has not stopped them trying to bring it in again, but they are in a state od shambles. The US constitution begins: "We the people..." The proposed EU constitution begins: "HIS MAJESTY THE KING OF THE BELGIANS..." I think that tells you all you need to know about why it was resoundingly rejected by 'we the people', despite the good bits (yes, the EU constitution actually has some good bits). In principle, I think that the EU is a good idea. I like the idea of free movement of *PEOPLE* and goods. I like the fact that I can move to, say, the Czech republic and work there with no restrictions. However, the other political baggage of the EU is not so welcome. While I would in principle like to see European countries be in a close alliance, I strongly object to the way the EU is run now - it's an undemocratic, unaccountable bureaucrat's gravy train. The constitution starting with "His Majesty the King of the Belgians" just goes on to rub this in - the EU is not being run by the people for the people, it's just a bureaucrat's charter. -- Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de |
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On 2007-02-12, Sam Spade wrote:
Well then driving in my car to a restaurant or a trip accross town to the supermarket is an elitist hobby supported by public funding. Your view is not shared by the automotive public. Of course it isn't because it affects *them*. People are quite willing to tell other people how to behave and telling other people to pay extra money, but they aren't so keen when it happens to *them*. For instance, witness the flap about commercial air travel and global warming in Britain. The British government and press are banging on almost non-stop about how terrible commercial air travel is on the environment - and the government indeed increased taxes on commercial air travel as a "green tax". It's nothing of the sort though. Commercial air travel is responsible for something like 8% of the UK's CO2 emissions. Domestic use is responsible for 30% of the UK's CO2 emissions. Completely *banning* commercial air travel will have less of an effect (especially considering the travel will still have to happen somehow, and will just move to some other form of transport) than simply reducing domestic use of energy by half. So why is the government targeting commercial air travel with such vigour, but not going after domestic use, when even a complete ban on commercial air travel will have less than half of the CO2 reduction of reducing domestic energy use by half? Because that way, people don't have to do anything. They feel good because big, evil airline are being attacked - yet they aren't prepared to do their own bit which would have demonstrably a far larger effect. When it comes to the reduction of energy usage, everyone wants *other* people to reduce their energy usage. So in effect, the new 'green tax' imposed on airlines recently is nothing of the sort - it's just more revenue for the government pot (because it won't reduce air travel, and even if it did, the effect would be too small to measure). As far as the FAA et al. - they exist solely for the benefit of airlines. GA would continue just fine (probably better, in fact) if the FAA and all its services disappeared tomorrow. The airlines would be paralyzed. Since the FAA exists solely for the benefit of airlines, then the airlines can pay for the FAA. -- Yes, the Reply-To email address is valid. Oolite-Linux: an Elite tribute: http://oolite-linux.berlios.de |
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Dylan Smith wrote:
As far as the FAA et al. - they exist solely for the benefit of airlines. GA would continue just fine (probably better, in fact) if the FAA and all its services disappeared tomorrow. The airlines would be paralyzed. Since the FAA exists solely for the benefit of airlines, then the airlines can pay for the FAA. A bit over the top. Nonetheless, you are about 90% on target! |
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On Tue, 13 Feb 2007 19:13:54 -0000, "Chris"
wrote in : A couple of years ago the Eurocrat politicians tried to bring in a constitution to harmonise Europe. The people voted it out thankfully.Well in this case the Dutch and the French. The politicians got a real bloody nose. It has not stopped them trying to bring it in again, but they are in a state od shambles. People power. It would appear that US Airmen have an opportunity to address their questions and recommendations on the subject of the proposed Next Generation Air Transportation System: NEXT-GENERATION ATC SYMPOSIUM SET (http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#194461) The RTCA will host a two-day symposium on the Next Generation Air Transportation System and how its evolution will be integrated into everyday flight operations next month in Washington, D.C. The symposium -- "Operational Evolution Partnership (OEP): The Bridge to NextGen," -- is scheduled for March 13 and 14 in the Ronald Reagan Building and International Trade Center in downtown D.C. The event is designed to bring together officials from the FAA, DOD, private industry, airlines, the European Air Traffic Alliance and other members of the aviation community to examine the restructured Joint Planning and Development Office (JPDO) and the OEP's inter-relationship with the Next Generation Air Transportation System (NextGen). The symposium will focus on operational concepts, requirements, policies and procedures, not on labor and cost issues. The RTCA, formerly the Radio Technical Commission for Aeronautics, is a private, not-for-profit corporation functioning as a Federal Advisory Committee for the FAA. http://www.avweb.com/eletter/archive...ll.html#194461 The symposium schedule is available he http://www.rtca.org/symposium/symposium2007.asp Cost of registration is ~$500.00. To enhance the value of the Symposium, each attendee is asked to identify THE most important question or issue on which he or she would like community senior executives to comment. The question form is included as part of your registration. These questions will provide the basis for the March 14th senior executive panel discussion. It seems that AOPA president Phil Boyer will be moderator of that hour and a half session. Perhaps we could submit our questions to him for consideration by the panelists. Personally, I'd like to know: 1. what measures are being planned to insure solar disturbances will not render the proposed satellite based system inoperable? 2. How will Mode S spoofing be prevented? 3. What new equipment will likely be imposed on GA airspace users as a result of NextGen implementation? 4. Will the 'broken' Military Training Route policy be addressed. 5. What personnel will be employed to man the NextGen system while it is running in parallel with the currently understaffed ATC system? 6. Why must congressional oversight of FAA expenditures be relinquished for NextGen to be implemented? 7. What is the current strategy for integrating UAV technology into the NextGen plan? 8. What will be the plight of Certified NORDO aircraft in the NextGen system? .... The answers may be contained in these documents: http://www.rtca.org/downloads/Listof...EB_dec2006.htm but who can afford the cost to purchase the documents in order to do the research? http://www.rtca.org/ RTCA, Inc. RTCA, Inc. is a private, not-for-profit corporation that develops consensus-based recommendations regarding communications, navigation, surveillance, and air traffic management (CNS/ATM) system issues. RTCA functions as a Federal Advisory Committee. Its recommendations are used by the Federal Aviation Administration (FAA) as the basis for policy, program, and regulatory decisions and by the private sector as the basis for development, investment and other business decisions. Organized in 1935 as the Radio Technical Commission for Aeronautics, RTCA today includes roughly 335 government, industry and academic organizations from the United States and around the world. Member organizations represent all facets of the aviation community, including government organizations, airlines, airspace users and airport associations, labor unions, plus aviation service and equipment suppliers. A sampling of our domestic membership includes the Federal Aviation Administration, Air Line Pilots Association, Air Transport Association of America, Aircraft Owners and Pilots Association, ARINC Incorporated, Avwrite, The Boeing Company, Department of Defense, GARMIN International, Rockwell International, Stanford University, Lockheed Martin, MIT Lincoln Laboratory, MITRE/CAASD, Harris Corporation, NASA, National Business Aviation Association, and Raytheon. Because RTCA interests are international in scope, many non-U.S. government and business organizations also belong to RTCA. We currently are supported by over 100 International Associates such as Airservices Australia, Airways Corporation of New Zealand, Airbus, the Chinese Aeronautical Radio Electronics Research Institute (CARERI), EUROCONTROL, NAV Canada, Bombardier Aerospace, Society of Japanese Aerospace Companies, Thales Avionics Limited, Centre for Airborne Systems-Bangalore, the United Kingdom Civil Aviation Authority and many more. RTCA has proven to be an excellent means for developing government / industry consensus on contemporary CNS/ATM issues. Task Forces Occasionally, RTCA is asked by the Administrator of the Federal Aviation Administration to develop industry consensus on a broad gauged strategic issue. Examples of completed Task Force issues include Global Navigation Satellite System (GNSS) Transition and Implementation Strategy, Transition to Digital Communications, Free Flight Implementation and Certification. 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Program Management Committee Our most frequent requests are for RTCA to establish a new, special committee to recommend Minimum Operational Performance Standards (MOPS) or appropriate technical guidance documents. MOPS are developed by RTCA and become the basis for certification. When these requests are received, RTCA's Program Management Committee (PMC) discusses the topic and, based on consensus, initiates Special Committee action. Special Committees Essentially all RTCA products are developed by issue-oriented Special Committees staffed by volunteers. As with all Federal Advisory Committee activities, Special Committee meetings are publicly announced and open to participation by anyone with an interest in the topic under consideration. During Special Committee meetings, volunteers from government and industry explore the operational and technical ramifications of the selected topic and develop consensus-based recommendations. These recommendations are then presented to the RTCA Program Management Committee, which either approves the Special Committee report or directs additional Special Committee work. Approved recommendations are published and made available for sale to members and to the public. Easy access to updates on committee activities and related subjects is available on the RTCA web site and in the Digest, which is published every two months. Through the years, RTCA has received several awards for its service to the aviation community. The organization was awarded the 1949 Collier Trophy for "A guide plan for the development of a system of air navigation and traffic control for safe and unlimited aircraft operations under all weather conditions." Additionally, in 1994, the FAA named RTCA, Inc. as the U.S. recipient of the ICAO 50th anniversary Medal of Honour. This unique recognition identified RTCA as the single most important U.S. contributor organization to the advancement and support of civil aviation since the creation of ICAO by the Chicago Convention in 1944. RTCA, Inc. 1828 L Street, NW Suite 805 Washington, DC 20036 Tel: 202-833-9339 Fax: 202-833-9434 |
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In todays AvWebFlash they state that the FAA proposal recommends
increasing the av gas tax from around 19-21 cents to 70 cents (US). If their goal is to kill GA this is a step in the right direction. Ron Lee |
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You have to remember that tankers are an essential and valuable asset, and
the current ones are based on 707's. They are getting long in the tooth, considering the hours and hard use they have endured. Even refurbishment in a depot can not always resurrect an old and tired airframe. Simply put, the Air Force needs newer tanker assets, and it would be simpler to modify an existing airframe rather than go through a clean sheet design. |
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"Viperdoc" wrote in message . net... : You have to remember that tankers are an essential and valuable asset, and : the current ones are based on 707's. They are getting long in the tooth, : considering the hours and hard use they have endured. : : Even refurbishment in a depot can not always resurrect an old and tired : airframe. Simply put, the Air Force needs newer tanker assets, and it would : be simpler to modify an existing airframe rather than go through a clean : sheet design. : : The 777 is being considered now... |
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Blueskies wrote:
"Viperdoc" wrote in message . net... : You have to remember that tankers are an essential and valuable asset, and : the current ones are based on 707's. They are getting long in the tooth, : considering the hours and hard use they have endured. : : Even refurbishment in a depot can not always resurrect an old and tired : airframe. Simply put, the Air Force needs newer tanker assets, and it would : be simpler to modify an existing airframe rather than go through a clean : sheet design. : : The 777 is being considered now... Which is a much, much better airframe and systems platform than the 767. |
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