Spins

B A R R Y wrote in
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On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 21:34:27 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

Ah, i didn;'t know they had that. Tripacers had it as well. Springs so
you could still cross them.

Some Sundowner owners don't know they have it. G

The springs fight the cross controlling in the slip, kinda' ruining
it.


Yes, one of my students bought a pacer converted from a Tri-pacer, and the
springs were still in it!
Made the thing a bit of a mess to handle so she removed them.

Bertie

"Mike Luther" -107b-this wrote in
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BtB The ercoupe was an effecient airplane even by today's
BtB standards. Remeber
BtB it came out in 1938 and it's an astonishing bit of airplane.
BtB Stil too girly for me, though!

Fred Weik, the creator of the Ercoupe was a professor here at Texas
A&M College for a good while. He lived Southeast of the old Historic
Southside in College Station, Texas, where our family Historic House
is still located and this is being written. You could go down
Hereford Street and sort of lumber your way to his homesite, which
included his own private airstrip! He actually flew the original
Ercoupe on good weather days from his private airstrip here in College
Station to Easterwood Airport to work way back then!
Adjacent to his old homesite was a small 8 hole golf course just
there on the
Southeast side of Texas A&M as well!

He wound up participating in the design team for the B36 during WWII.

He also helped design the Cherokee.



I'll never forget that flight. And regret I was too young to know the
importance of taking out my Kodak box camera and swerving with it
pointed upward to take a picture of that incredible bird.


You still have the pic?


Bertie

On Jan 19, 2:34 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
They have rudders, they're co-ordinated with the aileron. The later ones
had rudder pedals and many were converted to have them.

My Beech Sundowner has an aileron to rudder linkage. It helps
coordination, but the plane won't slip as well as a PA-28.

Ah, i didn;'t know they had that. Tripacers had it as well. Springs so you
could still cross them.

Bertie

Some 172s did, too. We have here a 172M that had the factory
seaplane stuff installed (forward strut lugs on the firewall, diagonal
braces behind the windshield, and the backside of all metal primed),
and they included a couple of springs between the aileron and rudder
cables in the belly. You hardly know they're there. I wonder if it was
a means of avoiding an extra keel surface like you see on Beavers and
some other floatplanes.
This one never did fly on floats.

Dan

On Jan 19, 9:36 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:


Holy crap! You can't get a second hand Datsun for that.



Hell, it's getting to the point where you can't FILL UP a second hand
Datsun with gas for that :-))

Your ages are showing. Some young punk is going to ask what a
Datsun is.

Dan

wrote in
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On Jan 19, 2:34 pm, Bertie the Bunyip wrote:
They have rudders, they're co-ordinated with the aileron. The later
ones had rudder pedals and many were converted to have them.

My Beech Sundowner has an aileron to rudder linkage. It helps
coordination, but the plane won't slip as well as a PA-28.

Ah, i didn;'t know they had that. Tripacers had it as well. Springs
so you could still cross them.

Bertie

Some 172s did, too. We have here a 172M that had the factory
seaplane stuff installed (forward strut lugs on the firewall, diagonal
braces behind the windshield, and the backside of all metal primed),
and they included a couple of springs between the aileron and rudder
cables in the belly. You hardly know they're there. I wonder if it was
a means of avoiding an extra keel surface like you see on Beavers and
some other floatplanes.
This one never did fly on floats.

Well, those are to compensate for the extra area out front. I wonder if
land 172 had them. I haven;t got a whole lot of 172 time but I've never
heard of those in any case..

Bertie

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On Jan 19, 9:36 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:


Holy crap! You can't get a second hand Datsun for that.



Hell, it's getting to the point where you can't FILL UP a second hand
Datsun with gas for that :-))

Your ages are showing. Some young punk is going to ask what a
Datsun is.


Oncethey're not asking yuo what a Hupmobile is, you're not tdoing too bad.


Bertie

wrote:
On Jan 19, 9:36 am, Dudley Henriques wrote:

Holy crap! You can't get a second hand Datsun for that.

Hell, it's getting to the point where you can't FILL UP a second hand
Datsun with gas for that :-))

Your ages are showing. Some young punk is going to ask what a
Datsun is.

Dan

I had a Cub Scout ask me once what Orville Wright was REALLY like?
:-)

--
Dudley Henriques

On Jan 19, 4:31 pm, B A R R Y wrote:
On Sat, 19 Jan 2008 04:58:49 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:



They have rudders, they're co-ordinated with the aileron. The later ones
had rudder pedals and many were converted to have them.

My Beech Sundowner has an aileron to rudder linkage. It helps
coordination, but the plane won't slip as well as a PA-28.

The Bonanza has rudder-aileron bungie interconnect.

Not my favorite feature.

Dan

On Thu, 17 Jan 2008 14:45:39 +0000 (UTC), Bertie the Bunyip
wrote:

...Swept fin 150s will only do three turns for the most part
and 152s even less.

I beg to differ. I've done up to 12 turns in C-150's (could have been
a 152, it's been a long time), no trouble at all.

Back when I was learning, I asked my instructor to teach me spins
(this was in 150's). Not just "demonstrating", he had me doing 3 turn
spins and recoveries myself... and told me (with a smile, knowing that
the 17 year old kid I was would do whatever I damm well pleased) not
to do them solo.

Did 20 turns once in my T-Craft... and on another occasion spun the
T-Craft down through an overcast when I got stuck on top ('bout 8
turns as I recall).

-Dana
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wrote

Some 172s did, too. We have here a 172M that had the factory
seaplane stuff installed (forward strut lugs on the firewall, diagonal
braces behind the windshield, and the backside of all metal primed),
and they included a couple of springs between the aileron and rudder
cables in the belly. You hardly know they're there. I wonder if it was
a means of avoiding an extra keel surface like you see on Beavers and
some other floatplanes.

Not likely. No way an interconnect is going to correct for insufficient
tail area, when the floats add area ahead of the center of aerodynamic
pressure.

More likely that the 172 has enough extra vertical fin to be OK, even with
the floats added. Most likely, there is not as much extra area after the
floats are bolted on! g
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Jim in NC