Simulators

writes:

Only if previously briefed on things like which buttons to push if you
want to see out of the side window.

If necessary, but that's trivial.

Mxsmanic wrote:
writes:

Only if previously briefed on things like which buttons to push if you
want to see out of the side window.

If necessary, but that's trivial.

No, it is not.

The posters point was a simulator could be deemed realistic if a real
pilot could sit down and "fly" it.

Real pilots in real airplanes often look out the side windows and they
don't have to push any buttons to be able to do it.


--
Jim Pennino

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On Sat, 15 May 2010 04:27:25 -0000, wrote:

Mxsmanic wrote:
vaughn writes:

One relevant sim test that I have been proposing for years is to simply do it
the other way around; go from the left seat to the sim! As an initial test of
any sim, simply have a real pilot (but one who does not fly sims) who is fully
qualified and current on the plane being simulated, sit down and attempt a
takeoff, pattern, and landing. If the "real" pilot can't do that simple task on
the first try, (as the pilot surely could in the real airplane) then the sim
fails .

Even a properly configured desktop simulator can often pass this test.

Only if previously briefed on things like which buttons to push if you
want to see out of the side window.

I recently had the opportunity to try an F-16 simulator at a Guard
base. The cockpit is entirely accurate and the view surrounds you to
the rear of the cockpit and accurately represents the surrounding
landscape. It is pretty spooky, and pretty touchy, but still lacks a
little of the real feel. You are, however about 15 miles behind the
damn thing from the moment you hit afterburner. I really enjoyed the
experience nevertheless.

"Stephen!" wrote in message
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"birdog" wrote in :

Unless convinced otherwise, I can't see pilots EVER stepping directly
from a sim into the left seat.

I did just that (except it was the appropriate right seat) in an R-22.
After five hours in the non-motion sim, I was hovering, unassisted, on my
very first flight.

And the make and model of the simulator is?

Had you had previous pilot training of any type?

How much time riding in helios?
--
Jim in NC

On Jun 1, 10:25*am, "Stephen!" wrote:

* Not relavent. *Glider, ASEL, and ASES ratings have nothing to compare
with flying a helicopter. *Completely different ball of wax. *As a matter
of fact, some of the "immediate action" actions are completely opposite
of fixed wing aircraft. *

Your past experience is fully relevant.

Lets go this route. Could you learn from MSFS 5 hours for your rotor
rating and go out and PROFICIENTLY fly a helicopter WITHOUT any REAL
world flying experiences? Be honest about this.

I seriously doubt it.

On Jun 1, 8:23*pm, "Stephen!" wrote:

Lets go this route. *Could you learn from MSFS 5 hours for your rotor
rating and go out and PROFICIENTLY fly a helicopter WITHOUT any REAL
world flying experiences? *Be honest about this.

* Who said anything about MSFS? *I said "simulator". *I even provided you
the make and model. *Nice try, though.

This whole thread is about computer DESKTOP simulators if you even
took the time to read through it..

Again, I ask you as you have not answered my question, could you fly a
helicopter based on 5 hours on a non motion simulator WITHOUT ANY real
world flying?

I still say the answer is no and your real world flying experience
accelerated where you are, not SOLELY based on your sim time.

On Jun 2, 11:06*pm, "Stephen!" wrote:

*None of that had any relevance to flying *ANY*
fixed wing aircraft. *

I know this. I have been told hovering is like standing on a beach
ball with your eyes closed. But physical sensation of flight is the
same whether you be in a helicoptor or a fixed wing. You can't ignore
that in the real world. So, in spite of your denial, your past flight
experiences are relevent.

I could *NOT* have done that without the five hours
in the Frasca.

I know this too.

You are a bunch of bunk if you think someone without REAL WORLD flight
experience can get into a Frasca non motion simulator, work it for 5
hours, walk out to the ramp and PROFICIENTLY go fly a REAL helicoptor
WITHOUT any type of real world flying experiences experiencing the
sensation of flight. Operative word is PROFICIENT. Anybody can shake
the stick or rudder around and even get beginners luck.

Next think I bet you will say is that you can conduct flight in IMC in
the real world based on MSFS experiences and no real world flight
experience. Same concept, just t'waint going to happen..

But if you wish to brag that you are superman or the next Hoover,
carry on, I won't stop you. :-)

Over and out...

"Stephen!" wrote in message
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" wrote in news:e8f2d96c-76dd-474f-
:

You are a bunch of bunk if you think someone without REAL WORLD flight
experience can get into a Frasca non motion simulator, work it for 5
hours, walk out to the ramp and PROFICIENTLY go fly a REAL helicoptor
WITHOUT any type of real world flying experiences experiencing the
sensation of flight. Operative word is PROFICIENT.

You seem to be the only one using that word. Quit trying to stuff it
into my mouth. I never once said I was proficient. Now... Admit you
were
wrong and get on with the rest of your life.



Next think I bet you will say is that you can conduct flight in IMC in
the real world based on MSFS experiences and no real world flight
experience.

*YOU* are the only one that keeps trying to drag MSFS into this. Again,
admit you were wrong and quit making yourself look like an idiot.


--
RCOS #7
IBA# 11465
http://imagesdesavions.com

Oh, Please!!

The only reason that anyone is dragging MSFS into this, or anything even
remotely related to aviation, is the existence (and persistence) of another
frequent contributor who asserts that MSFS is the same as realtity--only
better--which is about as stupid as saying that reality is a crutch for
people who can't handle drugs.

Any, and all, of us could go on and on; but I'm sure that you get the idea.

In any case, the Frasca sim is a lot of steps above MSFS, and I've been
offered a couple of hours in one configured as a Cessna 172--and I plan to
make good use of it!

All the best,
Peter

On Jun 2, 11:06*pm, "Stephen!" wrote:

* If *YOU* took the time to read the original post by 'birdog' you'd relize
how full of crap you are with that statement... *Birdog's question was
directly toward "top line simulators". *MSFS has never been a 'top line
simulator'.

You are just like Mx.

Reading comprehension must not be your forte as birdog comment WAS NOT
directed toward top line simulators.

Sure looks like MSFS in his first paragraph quoted below
Sure looks like he discounted top line simulators in the second
paragraph quoted below
Sure looks like he agrees with me on the third paragraph quoted below.
(Guess for helicoptors he should have put right seat)

Segments copied from Birdog's original post quoted below to refresh
your memory.

"Some years ago I bought a Microsoft simulator, played with it a while
and
relegated it to a young friend. I'll say this - I wish I had this when
I
first started chasing instruments for certification"

"Don't know the present reality status of top line simulaters, but
recovery
from unusual attitudes involves more than just manipulating the
controls.
How one reacts psycologically to suddenly looking straight at the
ground, or
the sudden appearence of the inverted treeline is a big factor"

"Unless convinced otherwise, I can't see pilots EVER stepping directly
from a
sim into the left seat."

"Stephen!" wrote in message
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" wrote in news:ffbf8848-5a20-47b6-
:


You are just like Mx.



Do go find somewhere to **** off, retard.


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RCOS #7
IBA# 11465
http://imagesdesavions.com

I appologize to one and all, for failing to read to the end of the thread
before responding.