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IFR simulators
Im looking to buy one of the Elite or ON TOP IFR simulators. If I wanted
to just buy the software and not the full stack could I still log the 10 hours toward my Instrument rating. Or would I be able to buy the avionics stack the peddles and yoke off EBAY, and still get the logable 10 hours. Or do I have to buy the packages form AVstore or King. Does anyone have these. Please tell me how you like them and are they worth the money. I was also going to charge to let people that come from the local FBO (make a few bucks back). Anything would help. Thanks Tony *** Sent via http://www.automationtools.com *** Add a newsgroup interface to your website today. |
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Im looking to buy one of the Elite or ON TOP IFR simulators. If I wanted
to just buy the software and not the full stack could I still log the 10 hours toward my Instrument rating. NO Or would I be able to buy the avionics stack the peddles and yoke off EBAY, and still get the logable 10 hours. Or do I have to buy the packages form AVstore or King. Does anyone have these. Please tell me how you like them and are they worth the money. I was also going to charge to let people that come from the local FBO (make a few bucks back). Anything would help. Thanks Tony I do not believe that a PC based IFR simulator as you described can be counted towards the training.. CFR61.4 .. it must be approved by the administrator. And from the FAQ file on CFR61.4.. QUESTION: What is a PCATD? ANSWER: The terms PCATD stands for a "Personal Computer-Based Aviation Training Device." It is a personal computer-based simulation package that consists of flight simulation software and hardware which has been determined to meet requirements as approved by AFS-800 and outlined in Advisory Circular (AC) No. 61-126, "Qualification and Approval of Computer-Based Aviation Training Devices". This AC No. 61-126 establishes acceptable criteria under which instrument aeronautical experience gained in a PCATD may be credited toward an instrument rating. QUESTION: What is the regulatory authority for the use of a PCATD? ANSWER: Ref. §61.4(c); which states "The Administrator may approve a device other than a flight simulator or flight training device for specific purposes." QUESTION: What is involved in gaining FAA's qualification and approval of a PCATD? ANSWER: A manufacturer who desires to gain qualification and approval of a PCATD prepares and submits a PCATD Qualification Guide for the device representing specific single-engine and/or multiengine airplane modules in accordance with the guidance outlined in AC 61-126. This Qualification Guide is evaluated by AFS-800 to determine its acceptability in meeting the applicable parameters stated in the AC 61-126. If the PCATD is found to be acceptable by the desk audit, an on-site evaluation of the device is conducted. When the PCATD is found to meet the requirements of AC 61-126, a letter is issued by AFS-800 that states the PCATD's qualification and approval of replicating specific airplane modules. Any significant changes made to the PCATD's software/hardware combinations or the addition of airplane modules by the manufacturer requires submission of an updated Qualification Guide that must be further evaluated and approved by AFS-800. |
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Im looking to buy one of the Elite or ON TOP IFR simulators. If I wanted to just buy the software and not the full stack could I still log the 10 hours toward my Instrument rating. NO Or would I be able to buy the avionics stack the peddles and yoke off EBAY, and still get the logable 10 hours. Or do I have to buy the packages form AVstore or King. Does anyone have these. Please tell me how you like them and are they worth the money. I was also going to charge to let people that come from the local FBO (make a few bucks back). Anything would help. Thanks Tony I do not believe that a PC based IFR simulator as you described can be counted towards the training.. CFR61.4 .. it must be approved by the administrator. snip The Elite flight simulator can be configured as a PCATD and is approved by the FAA. I dont belive you need the avionics stack or pedals but you will need dual monitors. I highly recommend the Pro-trainer package with the instument book, ATC senarios and CH USB flight yoke. It also comes with pedals which I found to be useless even for multi training. I also recomend you get a 128 Meg dual monitor nVidia graphics card and at least 1 19" monitor. I use a 17" but bigger would be better. J. Roncallo |
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it would be cheaper to get a package deal with the local FBO for 10hrs on
his FRASCA or ATC610 simulator.. I know a local CFII who found an older ATC4xx series.. and keeps it in his coat closet for his student teenage sons.. and a few others who use it for currency.. bT "John Roncallo" wrote in message m... BTIZ wrote: Im looking to buy one of the Elite or ON TOP IFR simulators. If I wanted to just buy the software and not the full stack could I still log the 10 hours toward my Instrument rating. NO Or would I be able to buy the avionics stack the peddles and yoke off EBAY, and still get the logable 10 hours. Or do I have to buy the packages form AVstore or King. Does anyone have these. Please tell me how you like them and are they worth the money. I was also going to charge to let people that come from the local FBO (make a few bucks back). Anything would help. Thanks Tony I do not believe that a PC based IFR simulator as you described can be counted towards the training.. CFR61.4 .. it must be approved by the administrator. snip The Elite flight simulator can be configured as a PCATD and is approved by the FAA. I dont belive you need the avionics stack or pedals but you will need dual monitors. I highly recommend the Pro-trainer package with the instument book, ATC senarios and CH USB flight yoke. It also comes with pedals which I found to be useless even for multi training. I also recomend you get a 128 Meg dual monitor nVidia graphics card and at least 1 19" monitor. I use a 17" but bigger would be better. J. Roncallo |
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BTIZ wrote:
it would be cheaper to get a package deal with the local FBO for 10hrs on his FRASCA or ATC610 simulator.. I know a local CFII who found an older ATC4xx series.. and keeps it in his coat closet for his student teenage sons.. and a few others who use it for currency.. bT This is true it would be cheeper but then you wouldent have it when you are done with your rating. When I purchased mine, I thought that I would only have it until I got my rating. I have since found it to be so usefull that I still have it and have continued to upgrade it regularly. I dont fly much so before I go anywher new, I use it to shoot the approaches at the airport I intend to fly to. It works great. and well wortht the money. John Roncallo |
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Tony writes:
Im looking to buy one of the Elite or ON TOP IFR simulators. If I wanted to just buy the software and not the full stack could I still log the 10 hours toward my Instrument rating. Or would I be able to buy the avionics stack the peddles and yoke off EBAY, and still get the logable 10 hours. Or do I have to buy the packages form AVstore or King. Does anyone have these. Please tell me how you like them and are they worth the money. I was also going to charge to let people that come from the local FBO (make a few bucks back). Anything would help. Thanks Tony Have a look at AC No: 61-126 - I saw it online at http://www.avidaviator.com/adcir61.html, there was a link from their page selling the OnTop ATD package. It's worth mentioning that you can't get any loggable credit for flying a simulator unless it's approved, AND unless you've got a CFII giving you instruction. There was a line in that Advisory Circular stating that "the FAA has not authorized the use of PCATD's for conducting practical tests nor for accomplishing recency of experience requirements". -Jack |
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Besides a CFI-I, you can get the tyraining from an IGI
Maurice Givens Jack Cunniff wrote in message ... Tony writes: Im looking to buy one of the Elite or ON TOP IFR simulators. If I wanted to just buy the software and not the full stack could I still log the 10 hours toward my Instrument rating. Or would I be able to buy the avionics stack the peddles and yoke off EBAY, and still get the logable 10 hours. Or do I have to buy the packages form AVstore or King. Does anyone have these. Please tell me how you like them and are they worth the money. I was also going to charge to let people that come from the local FBO (make a few bucks back). Anything would help. Thanks Tony Have a look at AC No: 61-126 - I saw it online at http://www.avidaviator.com/adcir61.html, there was a link from their page selling the OnTop ATD package. It's worth mentioning that you can't get any loggable credit for flying a simulator unless it's approved, AND unless you've got a CFII giving you instruction. There was a line in that Advisory Circular stating that "the FAA has not authorized the use of PCATD's for conducting practical tests nor for accomplishing recency of experience requirements". -Jack |
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If I were to buy one of the PCATD's what one would every one recommen???
ASA ONTOP or the ELITE, Jeppesen. Are there any I left out? Thanks for your help and post Tony *** Sent via http://www.automationtools.com *** Add a newsgroup interface to your website today. |
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If I were to buy one of the PCATD's what one would every one recommen???
ASA ONTOP or the ELITE, Jeppesen. Are there any I left out? It all comes down to money: if you want the radio console, the Jeppesen package is by far the cheapest and more than adequate for home use. The "basic" console is not great, but still order of magnitude improvement over using the mouse. Its not just that its inconvenient (mouse/keyboard), but I noticed the hardware controls somehow encouraged much deeper immersion into the environment. There are no excuses for performing poorly, because "its not realistic anyway". Elite is the best, but an all-hardware package will run at least $2000, vs the ~$1000 for Jepp. But the Elite hardware will be much better, no doubt about it. Software-wise, the old Jepp FS-200 was crap, but the newer FlitePro version (I had 6.2, I think) was not bad, smooth gauges, etc. Finally, FlitePro is at most a high-perf single-engine sim, Elite used to be the only multi-engine setup you could get, I believe. Martin |
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