Look at this goof ball of a seller

Look and read again he e-mailed me on my add offering to pay up to $15,000
he solicited me.


"Mike Fitzgerald" wrote in message
news:%BQ1c.479441$na.1152093@attbi_s04...
I think that YOU are the goofball, not the seller. With your cocky
know-it-all attitude I would lose interest real quick. Who needs nonsense
like this from people like you? Just buy the plane if you like it, or
learn
to read that the price is firm and move on.


"MRQB" wrote in message
...
The nerve of this guy telling me I have a lot to learn, Looks like this
guy
needs to learn how to read. This is the second time I have told this guy
no
it seems like he forgets things or need to go learn the meaning of NO.
First
he wanted to trade me for my Car I told him no a few months ago. I have
looked at airplanes with way better engine times for a lot less looks
like
he is trying to recover his GPS costs and myself I don't care if I have
a
GPS that's why we learned how to plot a course and navigate.

Goof Balls Airplane Ad
http://www.planetraderz.com/details.asp?si=785&li=248


Good luck finding your "pie in the sky"... you must be very new to this
airplane business. Add to your wealth of knowledge that 1800 TBO is just
a recommendation... and when you buy that plane with old radios...
remember to bring your wallet with you. You have a lot to learn and it
looks like you will learn the hard way like most newbies...

-----Original Message-----
From: MRQB ]
Sent: Thursday, March 04, 2004 2:51 PM
To:
Subject: You have an inquiry on your Classified Ad!

Please fully read my ad I have it commented below

I Will Pay Up To $15,000 Cash (No More Than $15,000), Your Asking
$15,900

Engine Must Not Exceed TBO, Your airplane has SMOH 1982.25+ Your
airplane's
engine is Run Out 1,800 TBO

Cessna Airplane If a 150 must be 1972+, Your 150 Is a 1966


Your airplane is worth only about $10,000 to me and that is being
generous
please dont bother me with your attempts to sell me an airplane that
dont
meet my needs.

Dude, from your posts your are having continuous troubles with
sellers. That means, it's time to think about your attitude! Please
take this in a friendly way--yes, there are plenty of goofy sellers.
So what?

I wish I had written stories about all the goofy sellers I ran into.
One guy, supposedly an A&P, had refurbished his airplane and repainted
it--with a spray can under the awning of his double-wide. I am not
making this up, the wings looked like a spray can job and he even had
photos to prove it! He was quite proud of his ingenuity.

Another guy had a fairly runout looking plane, but the interior had
just been redone with--I am not making this up--electrically heated
seats! This was an Ercoupe. They were extremely well padded and since
I am 6 feet, the whole test flight (he flew) was with me bent over
like a pretzel. Afterwards, seeing I wasn't showing a lot of
enthusiasm, he pointed out the many interior pockets as a selling
point and said he would throw in his nice metal insulated coffee cup
free gratis.

Another guy had a plane that hadn't been used for so long there were
cobwebs hanging off it. I declined the opportunity of a test
flight. Another plane, nicely equipped and apparently well-maintained,
had a nearly runout engine and vibrated like crazy.

Why go on? You get the idea. The funny thing is, I had the time of
my life talking to these people, looking at their planes, and
sometimes flying with them. I didn't insult them. Each one thought
their plane was the best--and to them, it was. I had other opinions
and kept them to myself. I found something nice to say about each
one, politely made some excuses, and left.

I almost didn't look at the last plane on my list. But on a whim I
drove over to see it (2 hour drive). It looked good, and now I had
the experience to tell. His asking price was fair (I had learned what
a fair price was too), but I couldn't fly it as it was in annual. A
couple of weeks later he flew up to my airport to give me a test
flight. I accepted his price, conditional on my mechanic inspecting
it, which we did the next day. The deal was struck and I was a new
plane owner! Gad, the last time I was that nervous was on my wedding
day.

Only a few Seller's most have been decent, but its the bad ones that make a
bad inpression and give the industory a bad name and they make me put my
shields up a bit more. I have learned a lot about buying over the last few
weeks.



"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...
Dude, from your posts your are having continuous troubles with
sellers. That means, it's time to think about your attitude! Please
take this in a friendly way--yes, there are plenty of goofy sellers.
So what?

I wish I had written stories about all the goofy sellers I ran into.
One guy, supposedly an A&P, had refurbished his airplane and repainted
it--with a spray can under the awning of his double-wide. I am not
making this up, the wings looked like a spray can job and he even had
photos to prove it! He was quite proud of his ingenuity.

Another guy had a fairly runout looking plane, but the interior had
just been redone with--I am not making this up--electrically heated
seats! This was an Ercoupe. They were extremely well padded and since
I am 6 feet, the whole test flight (he flew) was with me bent over
like a pretzel. Afterwards, seeing I wasn't showing a lot of
enthusiasm, he pointed out the many interior pockets as a selling
point and said he would throw in his nice metal insulated coffee cup
free gratis.

Another guy had a plane that hadn't been used for so long there were
cobwebs hanging off it. I declined the opportunity of a test
flight. Another plane, nicely equipped and apparently well-maintained,
had a nearly runout engine and vibrated like crazy.

Why go on? You get the idea. The funny thing is, I had the time of
my life talking to these people, looking at their planes, and
sometimes flying with them. I didn't insult them. Each one thought
their plane was the best--and to them, it was. I had other opinions
and kept them to myself. I found something nice to say about each
one, politely made some excuses, and left.

I almost didn't look at the last plane on my list. But on a whim I
drove over to see it (2 hour drive). It looked good, and now I had
the experience to tell. His asking price was fair (I had learned what
a fair price was too), but I couldn't fly it as it was in annual. A
couple of weeks later he flew up to my airport to give me a test
flight. I accepted his price, conditional on my mechanic inspecting
it, which we did the next day. The deal was struck and I was a new
plane owner! Gad, the last time I was that nervous was on my wedding
day.

They make the "industry" look bad? What industry are you talking about?
You are complaining about individuals who don't want to sell THEIR airplanes
for your price and/or terms. Think about that for a moment.

Mike
MU-2


"MRQB" wrote in message
...
Only a few Seller's most have been decent, but its the bad ones that make
a
bad inpression and give the industory a bad name and they make me put my
shields up a bit more. I have learned a lot about buying over the last few
weeks.



"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...
Dude, from your posts your are having continuous troubles with
sellers. That means, it's time to think about your attitude! Please
take this in a friendly way--yes, there are plenty of goofy sellers.
So what?

I wish I had written stories about all the goofy sellers I ran into.
One guy, supposedly an A&P, had refurbished his airplane and repainted
it--with a spray can under the awning of his double-wide. I am not
making this up, the wings looked like a spray can job and he even had
photos to prove it! He was quite proud of his ingenuity.

Another guy had a fairly runout looking plane, but the interior had
just been redone with--I am not making this up--electrically heated
seats! This was an Ercoupe. They were extremely well padded and since
I am 6 feet, the whole test flight (he flew) was with me bent over
like a pretzel. Afterwards, seeing I wasn't showing a lot of
enthusiasm, he pointed out the many interior pockets as a selling
point and said he would throw in his nice metal insulated coffee cup
free gratis.

Another guy had a plane that hadn't been used for so long there were
cobwebs hanging off it. I declined the opportunity of a test
flight. Another plane, nicely equipped and apparently well-maintained,
had a nearly runout engine and vibrated like crazy.

Why go on? You get the idea. The funny thing is, I had the time of
my life talking to these people, looking at their planes, and
sometimes flying with them. I didn't insult them. Each one thought
their plane was the best--and to them, it was. I had other opinions
and kept them to myself. I found something nice to say about each
one, politely made some excuses, and left.

I almost didn't look at the last plane on my list. But on a whim I
drove over to see it (2 hour drive). It looked good, and now I had
the experience to tell. His asking price was fair (I had learned what
a fair price was too), but I couldn't fly it as it was in annual. A
couple of weeks later he flew up to my airport to give me a test
flight. I accepted his price, conditional on my mechanic inspecting
it, which we did the next day. The deal was struck and I was a new
plane owner! Gad, the last time I was that nervous was on my wedding
day.

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
hlink.net...
They make the "industry" look bad? What industry are you talking about?
You are complaining about individuals who don't want to sell THEIR
airplanes
for your price and/or terms. Think about that for a moment.

I beleive he said they would not allow inspections and would not dicker.

Mike
MU-2

The marketplace scene in "Life of Brian" comes to mind.

Wanna buy a gourd?

Allowing inspections is "terms" and dickering is "price".

Mike
MU-2


"Tom Sixkiller" wrote in message
...

"Mike Rapoport" wrote in message
hlink.net...
They make the "industry" look bad? What industry are you talking about?
You are complaining about individuals who don't want to sell THEIR
airplanes
for your price and/or terms. Think about that for a moment.

I beleive he said they would not allow inspections and would not dicker.

Mike
MU-2

The marketplace scene in "Life of Brian" comes to mind.

Wanna buy a gourd?

On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:31:41 -0800, MRQB wrote:

shields up a bit more. I have learned a lot about buying over the last few
weeks.

You've been told many times what to expect, and when you get what you were
told would happen you seem to take it as a personal attack. It's not,
it's just that offering what you are you are going to attract the lower
end of the scale. That's a fact of life, don't get upset by it, just live
with it and move on.

You would do much better looking for a plane in other ways. I see them
all the time around here on the boards in your price range. I bet it's
the same in your state, just visit all the airports within a couple
hundred miles and you'll find it in your backyard for what you want to
spend.

Just quit calling people names because they don't meet your
specifications, often times that's the opening line in a deal, ask for
more than you expect to get just in case the buyer goes for it. This is
how you deal with people, it's give and take. He starts high, you start
low, both of you meet in the middle. If he starts over your 15K figure,
who cares, you're going to dicker it down anyhow, he knows it, you know
it, so with that have fun dickering.

The most fun I ever had was on vacation when I had absolutely no intention
of buying that shirt, yet I dickered long and hard, walked once and they
chased me down to renegotiate, in the end I bought it so much cheaper than
anybody else did because I was willing to dicker hard and walk. Do the
same, the process should be fun.

I already told the guy once that i dont want his airplane as it is not what
i am looking for.

See the below:

Customer Message: I just lower the price on my 150, you should
reconsider.



"Matthew P. Cummings" wrote in message
news
On Thu, 04 Mar 2004 20:31:41 -0800, MRQB wrote:

shields up a bit more. I have learned a lot about buying over the last
few
weeks.

You've been told many times what to expect, and when you get what you were
told would happen you seem to take it as a personal attack. It's not,
it's just that offering what you are you are going to attract the lower
end of the scale. That's a fact of life, don't get upset by it, just live
with it and move on.

You would do much better looking for a plane in other ways. I see them
all the time around here on the boards in your price range. I bet it's
the same in your state, just visit all the airports within a couple
hundred miles and you'll find it in your backyard for what you want to
spend.

Just quit calling people names because they don't meet your
specifications, often times that's the opening line in a deal, ask for
more than you expect to get just in case the buyer goes for it. This is
how you deal with people, it's give and take. He starts high, you start
low, both of you meet in the middle. If he starts over your 15K figure,
who cares, you're going to dicker it down anyhow, he knows it, you know
it, so with that have fun dickering.

The most fun I ever had was on vacation when I had absolutely no intention
of buying that shirt, yet I dickered long and hard, walked once and they
chased me down to renegotiate, in the end I bought it so much cheaper than
anybody else did because I was willing to dicker hard and walk. Do the
same, the process should be fun.

On Fri, 05 Mar 2004 19:56:20 -0800, MRQB wrote:

I already told the guy once that i dont want his airplane as it is not what
i am looking for.

It's still not worth getting upset over, it's just junk mail, ala spam
from this point forwards. Ignore it, he'll go away.

In any event, on an o-200 getting past TBO with a private owner is an
accomplishment, many consider 1500 hours what a private pilot should
expect before some major work and you should consider that in your quest.

My plane always has cobwebs on it. I can park it tonight, go
back tomorrow morning and there will be cobwebs on it. Usually
at the tail, from the rudder to the fin to the ground.

Paul

"Bob Fry" wrote in message
...
Another guy had a plane that hadn't been used for so long there were
cobwebs hanging off it.