Is a "yellow-tag" really necessary?

New instrument? WHAT new instrument?

Jim

-Andre wrote:
-
- Ok, let's say my TSO'd Attitude Indicator (AI) in my Cherokee goes
- belly-up, and my friend just happens to have one he removed from his
- machine a month ago as part of a complete panel upgrade. We both KNOW
- the thing works fine and would solve my problem.




Jim Weir (A&P/IA, CFI, & other good alphabet soup)
VP Eng RST Pres. Cyberchapter EAA Tech. Counselor
http://www.rst-engr.com

News Flash.. pilot loses control in instrument conditions.. crashes.. xx
dead. During the accident investigation the NTSB concentrates on the
Attitude Indicator that should have been a help and not a hindrance to the
pilot.

Serial numbers on the AI do not match the log books, someone swapped out his
AI. Was this sabotage to create the demise of the pilot? (like cutting the
brake line on his car, he lives on TOP of the only hill in town)

In any case Insurance company refuses payment. Aircraft was not properly
maintained as required by the insurance policy. Wife left behind looses
Ancestral Family home to dead passengers family lawsuit.

BT

"Newps" wrote in message
news:B8I2c.78456$ko6.415738@attbi_s02...


Andre wrote:

Ok, let's say my TSO'd Attitude Indicator (AI) in my Cherokee goes
belly-up, and my friend just happens to have one he removed from his
machine a month ago as part of a complete panel upgrade. We both KNOW
the thing works fine and would solve my problem.

What's the ramifications of just having it installed in my Cherokee?

This is exactly what I did with a DG. Someone on these boards was
gutting the panel and going with all new stuff. I bought the DG because
the one in my plane was acting up. Just swapped it out, didn't bother
to log it and away I go. There is no reason to have a yellow tagged part.

Nice myth. Similar to the myth that if the pilot broke the FARs, the
insurance company doesn't pay. Tell me, in your car, if you fail to
maintain your brakes, can't stop and crash, does your insurance
company deny your claim? Same thing with running a stop sign and
running into someone. If my insurance contained clauses allowing
denial of claims due to maintenance defects or pilot error, I would
NOT insure with that company. I have never seen such clauses in ANY
insurance policy I have ever read.

But I agree it is a common aviation myth, usually propagated by
instructors (usually instructors who have NEVER owned an airplane nor
READ an insurance policy).

"BTIZ" wrote in message news:xuT2c.17429$id3.4109@fed1read01...
News Flash.. pilot loses control in instrument conditions.. crashes.. xx
dead. During the accident investigation the NTSB concentrates on the
Attitude Indicator that should have been a help and not a hindrance to the
pilot.

Serial numbers on the AI do not match the log books, someone swapped out his
AI. Was this sabotage to create the demise of the pilot? (like cutting the
brake line on his car, he lives on TOP of the only hill in town)

In any case Insurance company refuses payment. Aircraft was not properly
maintained as required by the insurance policy. Wife left behind looses
Ancestral Family home to dead passengers family lawsuit.

BT

"Newps" wrote in message
news:B8I2c.78456$ko6.415738@attbi_s02...


Andre wrote:

Ok, let's say my TSO'd Attitude Indicator (AI) in my Cherokee goes
belly-up, and my friend just happens to have one he removed from his
machine a month ago as part of a complete panel upgrade. We both KNOW
the thing works fine and would solve my problem.

What's the ramifications of just having it installed in my Cherokee?

This is exactly what I did with a DG. Someone on these boards was
gutting the panel and going with all new stuff. I bought the DG because
the one in my plane was acting up. Just swapped it out, didn't bother
to log it and away I go. There is no reason to have a yellow tagged part.

Nice call, Doug!

On 8 Mar 2004 03:43:36 -0800, (Doug)
wrote:

Nice myth. Similar to the myth that if the pilot broke the FARs, the
insurance company doesn't pay. Tell me, in your car, if you fail to
maintain your brakes, can't stop and crash, does your insurance
company deny your claim? Same thing with running a stop sign and
running into someone. If my insurance contained clauses allowing
denial of claims due to maintenance defects or pilot error, I would
NOT insure with that company. I have never seen such clauses in ANY
insurance policy I have ever read.

But I agree it is a common aviation myth, usually propagated by
instructors (usually instructors who have NEVER owned an airplane nor
READ an insurance policy).

Doug wrote:
Nice myth. Similar to the myth that if the pilot broke the FARs, the
insurance company doesn't pay. Tell me, in your car, if you fail to
maintain your brakes, can't stop and crash, does your insurance
company deny your claim? Same thing with running a stop sign and
running into someone. If my insurance contained clauses allowing
denial of claims due to maintenance defects or pilot error, I would
NOT insure with that company. I have never seen such clauses in ANY
insurance policy I have ever read.

But I agree it is a common aviation myth, usually propagated by
instructors (usually instructors who have NEVER owned an airplane nor
READ an insurance policy).

The insurance company will pay... and then they will subrogate.

Yes a yellow tag is needed... or better yet an 8130.
No A&P in his right mind is going to install a part without some
traceability.
It amazes me the work you owners do on your airplanes. You cannot
legally install this without an A&P.
Joe



john smith wrote in message ...
Doug wrote:
Nice myth. Similar to the myth that if the pilot broke the FARs, the
insurance company doesn't pay. Tell me, in your car, if you fail to
maintain your brakes, can't stop and crash, does your insurance
company deny your claim? Same thing with running a stop sign and
running into someone. If my insurance contained clauses allowing
denial of claims due to maintenance defects or pilot error, I would
NOT insure with that company. I have never seen such clauses in ANY
insurance policy I have ever read.

But I agree it is a common aviation myth, usually propagated by
instructors (usually instructors who have NEVER owned an airplane nor
READ an insurance policy).

The insurance company will pay... and then they will subrogate.

"john smith" wrote in message
...
Doug wrote:
Nice myth. Similar to the myth that if the pilot broke the FARs, the
insurance company doesn't pay. Tell me, in your car, if you fail to
maintain your brakes, can't stop and crash, does your insurance
company deny your claim? Same thing with running a stop sign and
running into someone. If my insurance contained clauses allowing
denial of claims due to maintenance defects or pilot error, I would
NOT insure with that company. I have never seen such clauses in ANY
insurance policy I have ever read.

But I agree it is a common aviation myth, usually propagated by
instructors (usually instructors who have NEVER owned an airplane nor
READ an insurance policy).

The insurance company will pay... and then they will subrogate.

Subrogate whom? The person they just paid the claim to? Another myth.

BTIZ wrote:


Serial numbers on the AI do not match the log books, someone swapped out his
AI.

Please. In old planes like we all fly you will never find all the
serial numbers in the logbooks for all the stuff in your plane.

In article vb13c.86722$PR3.1221485@attbi_s03, Newps
wrote:

Serial numbers on the AI do not match the log books, someone swapped
out his
AI.

Please. In old planes like we all fly you will never find all the
serial numbers in the logbooks for all the stuff in your plane.

heck, on my pa-28-140, the prop serial number didn't match
the logs.

--
Bob Noel