Does anyone know if Wesley Clark was ever a pilot?

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"R.Hubbell" wrote:
But the country will never be secure and so they will do those
things that are most visible to the masses.

BTW Clark seems like a very solid guy. Military guy with compassion
and sensibility and intelligence.


He's a guy who solidly can't decide what he believes. Iraq has WMD's in
front of Congress and a regime change is a must, but on the campaign
trail he appears to be contradicting himself. That type of thing seems
to be going around, though, since Howard Dean becomes a big Christian
when he's south of the Mason-Dixon line but isn't so much of a Christian
when he comes back north.

Bottom line is that the integrity of both men is questionable.



JKG

I'd say his military record serves to discount your theory.



What, like the part about him being removed from command for reasons having to
do with personal integrity?

Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:22:12 GMT Jonathan Goodish wrote:

In article ,
"R.Hubbell" wrote:
"R.Hubbell" wrote:
BTW Clark seems like a very solid guy.

Clark is a squirrel, according to more than one officer who served with
him.


I'd say his military record serves to discount your theory.


The upper ranks of the military are at least as rife with politics as
the upper ranks of most large corporations--in other words, actual
talent and qualification is often not considered criteria for promotion.

Does not apply to Wesley Clark.

He's got the talent and the qualifications.


From Wesley Clark:

"You can't build a strong Army just with great generals;
you have to have great people at every rank. You have to
give everyone a chance to be all you can be.' It's true for
the United States Army, and it's true for the United States."


R. Hubbell




JKG

On 17 Jan 2004 01:26:09 GMT ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:


I'd say his military record serves to discount your theory.



What, like the part about him being removed from command for reasons having to
do with personal integrity?

You're still expecting us to take your word for it? His exemplary service
in the military speaks for itself.

Just more vacuous vitriol.



R. Hubbell


Don

--
Wm. Donald (Don) Tabor Jr., DDS
PP-ASEL
Chesapeake, VA - CPK, PVG

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:25:56 GMT Jonathan Goodish wrote:

In article ,
"R.Hubbell" wrote:
But the country will never be secure and so they will do those
things that are most visible to the masses.

BTW Clark seems like a very solid guy. Military guy with compassion
and sensibility and intelligence.


He's a guy who solidly can't decide what he believes. Iraq has WMD's in
front of Congress and a regime change is a must, but on the campaign
trail he appears to be contradicting himself. That type of thing seems


Iraq had WMDs, we sold them to Iraq. Did you miss that part out
of convenience or just not paying attention?

Why not read the transcripts your self:

http://armedservices.house.gov/schedules/2002.html

to be going around, though, since Howard Dean becomes a big Christian
when he's south of the Mason-Dixon line but isn't so much of a Christian
when he comes back north.

Well Dubya didn't bother with all that during his campaign, he knew his
Dad and his brother would pull out the win for him.



Bottom line is that the integrity of both men is questionable.


The bottom line is that Wesley Clark has more integrity in his little
toe than Dubya could ever hope to have.


R. Hubbell



JKG

"R.Hubbell" wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:25:56 GMT Jonathan Goodish wrote:

In article ,
"R.Hubbell" wrote:
But the country will never be secure and so they will do those
things that are most visible to the masses.

BTW Clark seems like a very solid guy. Military guy with compassion
and sensibility and intelligence.


He's a guy who solidly can't decide what he believes. Iraq has WMD's in
front of Congress and a regime change is a must, but on the campaign
trail he appears to be contradicting himself. That type of thing seems

Iraq had WMDs, we sold them to Iraq. Did you miss that part out
of convenience or just not paying attention?

Why not read the transcripts your self:

http://armedservices.house.gov/schedules/2002.html

to be going around, though, since Howard Dean becomes a big Christian
when he's south of the Mason-Dixon line but isn't so much of a Christian
when he comes back north.

Well Dubya didn't bother with all that during his campaign, he knew his
Dad and his brother would pull out the win for him.

Yeah right. I'll bet it was the black helicopters too, right?

Bottom line is that the integrity of both men is questionable.

The bottom line is that Wesley Clark has more integrity in his little
toe than Dubya could ever hope to have.

Keep dreaming. Dubya says what he does and does what he says. Wesley Clark swings
his positions around like a human weathervane in a storm. One minute he's for
disarming Saddam with force and knows that Iraq had weapons capable of causing
mass destructive, the next he says he never was. Unfortunately for him, his quotes
are in the congressional record, and even the audio/video exists.

On taxes: "Mr. Clark's "reform" is essentially an updated version of the tax
jujitsu that Candidate Clinton offered back in 1992. Promise to raise taxes only on
the upper middle class and wealthy, while offering to cut taxes on a slew of
"middle-class families." Once Mr. Clinton took office, you may painfully recall,
the middle-class tax cut vanished and everyone got socked with some kind of tax
hike.

"We've been waiting a long time for another Democrat to grab the mantle of tax
reform the way Bill Bradley and Dick Gephardt did back in the 1980s, so we studied
Wesley Clark's proposal on Monday with interest. The kindest thing we can say about
it is that we sure hope the retired general knows more about war than he does about
taxes.
....
The major difference today is that Mr. Clark is proposing to raise marginal
income-tax rates even higher than Mr. Clinton did. He'd not only repeal the Bush
tax cuts, thus restoring the top Clinton marginal rate of 39.6%, but he'd pile on
another five-point rate surcharge on incomes of more than $1 million.

Yes, friends, the old "millionaire surtax" ploy. The last time we roasted this
chestnut was also in 1992, except that once Mr. Clinton took office the definition
of millionaire became anyone making more than $250,000. Mr. Clark is proposing to
raise the top marginal rate on income to 44.6%--or about 46.6% counting the current
exemption and deduction phase-outs--higher than anytime since the pre-1986 rate of
50% when there were many more tax loopholes. And Mr. Clark keeps hinting that
Howard Dean is unelectable in November."
WSJ 1/7/2004

""President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so
much doubt." -Wesley Clark op-ed London Times 10 April 2003

"R.Hubbell" wrote:

On 17 Jan 2004 01:26:09 GMT ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:


I'd say his military record serves to discount your theory.



What, like the part about him being removed from command for reasons having to
do with personal integrity?

You're still expecting us to take your word for it? His exemplary service
in the military speaks for itself.

History has shown clearly that generals don't make good Presidents. Why would
somebody whose occupation is a soldier be better/worse than anybody else for
President?

"R.Hubbell" wrote in message
Does not apply to Wesley Clark.

He's got the talent and the qualifications.


From Wesley Clark:

"You can't build a strong Army just with great generals;
you have to have great people at every rank. You have to
give everyone a chance to be all you can be.' It's true for
the United States Army, and it's true for the United States."

It is easy to put fine words to paper. But the fact remains that Wes Clark
spent 30+ years in the Army, and there probably aren't half a dozen men who
served with him who would give him a drink from a water hose. That fact
alone speaks louder than any position paper.

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:33:48 -0500 Lisa Hughes wrote:



"R.Hubbell" wrote:

On 17 Jan 2004 01:26:09 GMT ackatyu (Wdtabor) wrote:


I'd say his military record serves to discount your theory.



What, like the part about him being removed from command for reasons having to
do with personal integrity?

You're still expecting us to take your word for it? His exemplary service
in the military speaks for itself.

History has shown clearly that generals don't make good Presidents. Why would
somebody whose occupation is a soldier be better/worse than anybody else for
President?


Not sure what you're talking about, did you post to the wrong message?

In regards to Wesley Clark's integrity his exemplary service in the military
speaks for itself.

R. Hubbell

On Fri, 16 Jan 2004 23:31:52 -0500 Lisa Hughes wrote:



"R.Hubbell" wrote:

On Sat, 17 Jan 2004 01:25:56 GMT Jonathan Goodish wrote:

In article ,
"R.Hubbell" wrote:
But the country will never be secure and so they will do those
things that are most visible to the masses.

BTW Clark seems like a very solid guy. Military guy with compassion
and sensibility and intelligence.


He's a guy who solidly can't decide what he believes. Iraq has WMD's in
front of Congress and a regime change is a must, but on the campaign
trail he appears to be contradicting himself. That type of thing seems

Iraq had WMDs, we sold them to Iraq. Did you miss that part out
of convenience or just not paying attention?

Why not read the transcripts your self:

http://armedservices.house.gov/schedules/2002.html

to be going around, though, since Howard Dean becomes a big Christian
when he's south of the Mason-Dixon line but isn't so much of a Christian
when he comes back north.

Well Dubya didn't bother with all that during his campaign, he knew his
Dad and his brother would pull out the win for him.

Yeah right. I'll bet it was the black helicopters too, right?



That's a funny response. If there were any helicopters the wouldn't have
been black, that's too obvious. Yeah it's just a coincidence that his
brother was the governor of the state in question.




Bottom line is that the integrity of both men is questionable.

The bottom line is that Wesley Clark has more integrity in his little
toe than Dubya could ever hope to have.

Keep dreaming. Dubya says what he does and does what he says. Wesley Clark swings



Dubya does what his handlers tell him to say. Heck the only thing he wants out
the office is to make sure he gets even for his Dad. I hope it wasn't anyone
you loved that he sent over to do his dirty work.




his positions around like a human weathervane in a storm. One minute he's for
disarming Saddam with force and knows that Iraq had weapons capable of causing
mass destructive, the next he says he never was. Unfortunately for him, his quotes
are in the congressional record, and even the audio/video exists.


Yeah read it for yourself http://armedservices.house.gov/schedules/2002.html

Of course he knows that he had WMDs the U.S. sold them to him. I guess you missed
that too. Lots of people seem to forget things. Little details that happened
long ago.



On taxes: "Mr. Clark's "reform" is essentially an updated version of the tax
jujitsu that Candidate Clinton offered back in 1992. Promise to raise taxes only on
the upper middle class and wealthy, while offering to cut taxes on a slew of
"middle-class families." Once Mr. Clinton took office, you may painfully recall,
the middle-class tax cut vanished and everyone got socked with some kind of tax
hike.


So you don't like to have to pay taxes? So Dubya's plan is to sign every single
spending bill since in office and not raise taxes. A 5 year old can figure that
won't work. But I guess, like global warming, we'll let future generations
sort it all out. We're too busy settling scores and acting as the global
sociopath.



"We've been waiting a long time for another Democrat to grab the mantle of tax
reform the way Bill Bradley and Dick Gephardt did back in the 1980s, so we studied
Wesley Clark's proposal on Monday with interest. The kindest thing we can say about
it is that we sure hope the retired general knows more about war than he does about
taxes.
...
The major difference today is that Mr. Clark is proposing to raise marginal
income-tax rates even higher than Mr. Clinton did. He'd not only repeal the Bush
tax cuts, thus restoring the top Clinton marginal rate of 39.6%, but he'd pile on
another five-point rate surcharge on incomes of more than $1 million.


Good! The country needs better security and cleaner air and water. We need to
increase education spending too.



Yes, friends, the old "millionaire surtax" ploy. The last time we roasted this
chestnut was also in 1992, except that once Mr. Clinton took office the definition
of millionaire became anyone making more than $250,000. Mr. Clark is proposing to
raise the top marginal rate on income to 44.6%--or about 46.6% counting the current
exemption and deduction phase-outs--higher than anytime since the pre-1986 rate of
50% when there were many more tax loopholes. And Mr. Clark keeps hinting that
Howard Dean is unelectable in November."
WSJ 1/7/2004

There's no shortage of loopholes. And it's time to lessen the current tax inequality
that exists here.


""President Bush and Tony Blair should be proud of their resolve in the face of so
much doubt." -Wesley Clark op-ed London Times 10 April 2003

That's a nice thing to say. They should be proud of their resolve. But the will
have to see the truth come out about the whole thing. Then we will really see
how their resolve holds up.


R. Hubbell