Best way to identify fix?

I'm pretty new at this, just took my checkride on Saturday, but it looks to
me like you are right on the line between parallel and teardrop.

Here's my question. When either parallel or teardrop could be used, is there
a preference for one over the other? You could argue that teardrop is
preferred because it is more likely to keep you on the protected side, so
when it is a toss up. that's the way you should go, but I'm wondering if
there are any other considerations.

Brad


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Roy Smith wrote:

I was looking at some old IFR Refreshers tonight, and found the IFR
Quiz
from September 2002. See
http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0503/00282I2C.PDF.
[snip]

The sloppy tanget to the BNA DME would exist only if you were flying
along the
LVT 270 radial. But, you're not. In the context of that approach
chart you
flew the missed approach northbound on the BNA 016 radial until
either BNA
24.7 DME or until crossing the LVT 270 radial northbound tracking BNA
016
radial.
Then, you enter the hold flying on-course southbound on the BNA 016
back to
TANDS.

Hi. simulator pilot that enjoys flying IFR procedures here. How is this
hold entered? As I understand, BNA R-016 past BNA 24.7 DME (or LVT 270
radial), then a 180 degree turn southbound until reaching TANDS again,
and then left standard turn to 016? Any restrictions for the
southbound turn after passing TANDS the first time?


No, a teardrop entry. BNA R016 past BNA 24.7 DME, then right turn 30
degrees to 046. Fly one minute, turn
left , twist OBS to 196, and continue your turn to intercept 196 inbound.

Not sure how Stan came up with a parallel entry for this (maybe from your
description he thought you were
coming from the east or something).

Cheers,
John Clonts
Temple, Texas
N7NZ

"Brad Salai" wrote in
:

I'm pretty new at this, just took my checkride on Saturday, but it
looks to me like you are right on the line between parallel and
teardrop.

Here's my question. When either parallel or teardrop could be used, is
there a preference for one over the other? You could argue that
teardrop is preferred because it is more likely to keep you on the
protected side, so when it is a toss up. that's the way you should go,
but I'm wondering if there are any other considerations.

If you're doing it for yourself, in the real world, either will work, as
long as you stay on the protected side. For checkride purposes, some
examiners can be very picky, and want to see exactly the recommended
entry, which means the least turn outbound, usually. It also depends on
the level of the checkride as to how picky the examiner may be. An ATP
ride is different from a PPL ride.

--
Regards,

Stan

"They that can give up essential liberty to obtain a little temporary
safety deserve neither liberty nor safety." B. Franklin

On Thu, 24 Mar 2005 22:44:02 -0500, Roy Smith wrote:

I was looking at some old IFR Refreshers tonight, and found the IFR Quiz
from September 2002. See http://204.108.4.16/d-tpp/0503/00282I2C.PDF.

Question #4 asks how to identify TANDS, and the answer they give is "BNA
DME and Livingston's R-270". Isn't that kind of nuts? The DME arc is
almost tangent to the LVT R-270, and would thus give an extremely sloppy
fix. The only rational ways in my mind to identify TANDS would be to cross
the BNA R-106 with the LVT R-270, or the BNA R-106, DNA 24.7 DME.

Is there something I'm missing here?

Greetings,

I don't see a DME arc on this procedure? If you're referring to the
'range rings', they just show that those portions of the plate outside
the 10 DME ring are not necessarily to-scale, they're not DME arcs.

As for TANDS, I believe you are correct in that it can be identified
using either BNA R106, 24.7DME, or the intersection of BNA R106 and
the Livingston R270, either of which is a pretty well defined point in
space.

Luck!
P

On Fri, 25 Mar 2005 06:24:08 -0500, Peter Clark
wrote:

As for TANDS, I believe you are correct in that it can be identified
using either BNA R106, 24.7DME, or the intersection of BNA R106 and
the Livingston R270, either of which is a pretty well defined point in
space.

augh. subst R016 for R106. Teach me to copy information from the
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