Charted Visual Flight Procedures

Well, I'm certainly glad you guys CLEARED up that ambiguious issue?
I've forgotten, can ATC issue this procedure if the aircraft is in IMC
or not???? And if ATC issues it erroneously, and the pilot accepts it,
who is at fault? And what am I supposed to say, as a pilot, if ATC
issues it and I don't want to accept it? "Unable, request IFR
approach?" or something like that?

Sounds like someone should file one of those NASA forms, as the powers
that be need to know this is going on.

My take on it, is if I am below the Inititial Approach Fix minimum
altitude, I need to be on an IFR approach if I do not have the
visibility to accept a Visual Approach. That's what I am comfortable
with as a pilot. (Except Contact Approach or Special VFR, which still
require some visibility). Certainly, if I'm in a cloud and below the
IAF I need to be on an IFR approach.

Doug wrote:
Well, I'm certainly glad you guys CLEARED up that ambiguious issue?
I've forgotten, can ATC issue this procedure if the aircraft is in IMC
or not????

ATC doesn't know if you're in IMC or not. They can make a good guess
based on the reported weather, but only you know for sure.

And if ATC issues it erroneously, and the pilot accepts it,
who is at fault?

You are. ATC may be too, if they issued it contrary to some rule that
bears on them, but that's not really your concern (or mine).

And what am I supposed to say, as a pilot, if ATC issues it and I
don't want to accept it? "Unable, request IFR approach?" or
something like that?

Exactly. It might help to tell them what approach you want, "Unable
visual, request ILS".

"Roy Smith" wrote in message
...

You are. ATC may be too, if they issued it contrary to some rule that
bears on them, but that's not really your concern (or mine).


How is the pilot at fault if ATC issues it erroneously?

"Doug" wrote in message
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Well, I'm certainly glad you guys CLEARED up that ambiguious issue?
I've forgotten, can ATC issue this procedure if the aircraft is in IMC
or not????


Yes, as being in VMC when the clearance is issued is not one of the required
conditions.



And if ATC issues it erroneously, and the pilot accepts it,
who is at fault?


If ATC errs they are at fault.



And what am I supposed to say, as a pilot, if ATC
issues it and I don't want to accept it? "Unable, request IFR
approach?" or something like that?


Yup.



Sounds like someone should file one of those NASA forms, as the powers
that be need to know this is going on.


Need to know what is going on?

"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Doug" wrote in message
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Well, I'm certainly glad you guys CLEARED up that ambiguious issue?
I've forgotten, can ATC issue this procedure if the aircraft is in IMC
or not????


Yes, as being in VMC when the clearance is issued is not one of the required
conditions.

But, if the pilot cannot see the airport, or preceding aircraft (if applicable)
when the clearance is issued then he has the obligation to refuse the clearance
based on his inability to comply.

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"Steven P. McNicoll" wrote:

"Doug" wrote in message
oups.com...

Well, I'm certainly glad you guys CLEARED up that ambiguious issue?
I've forgotten, can ATC issue this procedure if the aircraft is in IMC
or not????


Yes, as being in VMC when the clearance is issued is not one of the
required
conditions.


But, if the pilot cannot see the airport, or preceding aircraft (if
applicable)
when the clearance is issued then he has the obligation to refuse the
clearance
based on his inability to comply.


The pilot must make that report BEFORE clearance for a visual approach can
be issued. But the question you quoted above was asked about the charted
visual flight procedure at Reno, not about a visual approach in general.
With a CVFP the required report is not of the airport but of a charted
visual landmark. A pilot can be in IMC when he makes that report and be
cleared for the approach.