Pilot nearly crashes in IMC, Controller helps

And it is an absolutely amazing tape. I've never heard such terror in
someone's voice before. Do you think he quit flying after that or
went for instrument training?

When it first came out, I listened to it and thought, "This is a put on,
nobody would say those things." Then again, I thought about some of the
things I have read on this group, an I have to admit it is possibly
true. :-O

Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.

Such a black and white world we live in. No shades of grey, no
colors... just black and white. What few choices...

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:54:14 GMT, john smith wrote:

http://www.naats.org/

The tapes are public domain.

I haven't found a source for the tapes beeing in the public domain.
Besides: this was also a general argument for Jay's site.

#m

--
Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.
http://www.whitehouse.gov/news/releases/2001/09/20010920-8.html

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Martin Hotze wrote:

On Sun, 25 Sep 2005 14:54:14 GMT, john smith wrote:

http://www.naats.org/

The tapes are public domain.

I haven't found a source for the tapes beeing in the public domain.
Besides: this was also a general argument for Jay's site.

FOIA, you have to request them.

The page itself is a good idea (though I wouldn't connect/link it with/to
my business website), but you might run into legal troubles someday. You
are stealing from other people.

see the bottom of the mainpage of the last file you added:
http://www.naats.org/
---snip
All content © NAATS, 2000-2005.

Thanks, Martin -- I hadn't actually noticed that.

Of course, I'm not sure why they wouldn't want it on our webpage -- more
ears hearing it HELPS their cause.

Remember, the whole reason for the existence of this remarkable tape is to
make the point that FAA briefers are better at saving lives than Lockheed
employees will ever be. Whether you buy that argument or not, the NAATS
clearly wants more pilots to hear this tape.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Either you are with us, or you are with the terrorists.

Such a black and white world we live in. No shades of grey, no
colors... just black and white. What few choices...

Of course, I know I don't need to remind you that it is the terrorists
themselves who have cast the battle in such stark terms.
--
Jay Honeck
Iowa City, IA
Pathfinder N56993
www.AlexisParkInn.com
"Your Aviation Destination"

Jay Honeck wrote:

Remember, the whole reason for the existence of this remarkable tape is to
make the point that FAA briefers are better at saving lives than Lockheed
employees will ever be. Whether you buy that argument or not, the NAATS
clearly wants more pilots to hear this tape.

My oh my. Well, it's certainly educational in the tradition of those
"blood on the highway" drivers ed movies. As for what it says about
NAATS' people, I don't doubt they're dedicated public servants, but
let's not get carried away here.

-cwk.

Of course, I know I don't need to remind you that it is the terrorists themselves who
have cast the battle in such stark terms.

No Jay, I don't need that reminder. I don't, however, think that who
started it matters. I just don't need to pick sides when I know that
neither side is doing the right thing.

Jay Honeck wrote:

Of course, I'm not sure why they wouldn't want it on our webpage -- more
ears hearing it HELPS their cause.

In that case, they'll be happy to give you their permission to use it and you'll
be legal.

George Patterson
Give a person a fish and you feed him for a day; teach a person to
use the Internet and he won't bother you for weeks.

"john smith" wrote in message
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Martin Hotze wrote:

http://www.naats.org/

The tapes are public domain.

Hmmmm, I wonder what "All content © NAATS, 2000-2005" means?

Actually I don't wonder at all, I deal with copyright every day. It
means the entire contents of the NAATS site are copyrighted to them and NOT
in the public domain. To pluck something off that site and apply it to
anything other than personal use (like putting on your own website and
making it accessible to the public) is an infringement of the copyright.
On the other hand, if you go to the government funded source you can
very often find the same material not under copyright -- that is, in the
public domain. The United States Government is prohibited from applying
copyright because the US citizens paid for it with their taxes. Since they
are not germane to this specific topic, we won't get into classifed material
or freedom of information act at this point.
NAATS's copyright applies because the material is not in the original
form. I won't belabor that point other than to say your public library can
provide you with yards of literary legalisms.

Regards,

Casey Wilson
Freelance Writer and Photographer
[owner of a few thousand copyrighted items -- some even registered with the
Library of Congree]