Most Challenging Instrument Approaches in Western US?

Regarding Juneau (JNU) approaches: Can anyone venture to guess why the NDB
approach minimums are lower than the LDA?



"Lou Ramsay" wrote in message
...
John Harper wrote:

The answers so far seem to define challenging as "greatest risk if you
mess
up".
That's a fair definition but if you go by difficulty of execution then
the
NDB
to Siskiyou County, CA, (SIY iirc) looks like fun. I've never flown it
but
it involves
a substantial dogleg at the NDB (particularly good if there's a
crosswind)
as well as a death-defying descent rate on final.


Juneau, Alaska is no "bowl of peaches" either.

A fellow controller was riding jumpseat on a 727 a
number of years ago on a flight from Anchorage to
Seattle with intermediate stop at Juneau. The pilot
was enthused that this would be his first flight into
Juneau with VFR conditions.

There is a rather large dogleg to turn final and a
hill just slides under as you are, or just before,
making the dogleg. The Captain said that was the LAST
time he wanted to make the approach to Juneau in VFR
conditions.


Lou.

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"Brad Z" wrote in message
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Regarding Juneau (JNU) approaches: Can anyone venture to guess why the NDB
approach minimums are lower than the LDA?


I don't know but it is hard to see the airport from the missed approach
point even if visibility is unrestricted.

Mike
MU-2

Having live in Juneau for 6 years in a former life, I can say it's
got to be close to the worst conditions possible for flying. It's often
described as "landing in a fishbowl," since there's water on all sides,
and 3500' mountains within 5-10 miles on 3 sides, and within 20 miles on
the 4th side. I wasn't into private flying at the time, but did enough
missed approaches as a passenger in 737's to know it was a bitch. The
weather can move in there so even the commercial guys won't fly in for a
week or more.


Lou Ramsay wrote:
: Juneau, Alaska is no "bowl of peaches" either.
snip
: hill just slides under as you are, or just before,
: making the dogleg.

They call it "Engineer's cutoff" in Juneau, since they cut the trees off
the top of the hill to help forward visibility on short final. That's
how close the whole approach is.


-Cory

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I remember once seeing an approach in which the altitude for the FAF was
the same as the MDA (i.e., the plan view was flat, perhaps due to rising
terrain). Unfortunately I can not remember which approach this was. Does
anyone know which approach I am talking about. I am trying to find it again.
I think it was in MT or WY but I am not sure.

J. Hansen ) wrote:

I remember once seeing an approach in which the altitude for the FAF was
the same as the MDA (i.e., the plan view was flat, perhaps due to rising
terrain). Unfortunately I can not remember which approach this was. Does
anyone know which approach I am talking about. I am trying to find it again.
I think it was in MT or WY but I am not sure.

Awhile back I discovered this NDB/DME or GPS-A approach at Hailey/Friedman
Memorial (KSUN), UT.

Not sure if it the one to which you refer but it does have similar
features:

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/.../SUN_nd_gA.pdf

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"Peter R." wrote in message news:MPG.19d106968fc7815c989800@text-
Not sure if it the one to which you refer but it does have similar
features:

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/.../SUN_nd_gA.pdf

Not only is the plan flat (2700 above the runway), but the MAP is 5.3 miles away from the runway!

Peter R. wrote in message ...
J. Hansen ) wrote:

I remember once seeing an approach in which the altitude for the FAF was
the same as the MDA (i.e., the plan view was flat, perhaps due to rising
terrain). Unfortunately I can not remember which approach this was. Does
anyone know which approach I am talking about. I am trying to find it again.
I think it was in MT or WY but I am not sure.

Awhile back I discovered this NDB/DME or GPS-A approach at Hailey/Friedman
Memorial (KSUN), UT.

Not sure if it the one to which you refer but it does have similar
features:

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/.../SUN_nd_gA.pdf

Thanks. I'm not sure if this is the same one I saw, but this one is
pretty good too.

Jeff

(J. Hansen) writes:
Peter R. wrote
J. Hansen ) wrote:

I remember once seeing an approach in which the altitude for the FAF was
the same as the MDA (i.e., the plan view was flat, perhaps due to rising
terrain). Unfortunately I can not remember which approach this was. Does
anyone know which approach I am talking about. I am trying to find it again.
I think it was in MT or WY but I am not sure.

Awhile back I discovered this NDB/DME or GPS-A approach at Hailey/Friedman
Memorial (KSUN), UT.

Not sure if it the one to which you refer but it does have similar
features:

http://www.myairplane.com/databases/.../SUN_nd_gA.pdf

Thanks. I'm not sure if this is the same one I saw, but this one is
pretty good too.

I recall that the VOR approach to Jefferson County Airport in the
Denver area has minimums higher than VFR minimums. Probably has
something to do with the rocks to the west of the airport...

(Lynne Miller) wrote in message . com...
Good question, but there are no challenging approaches in the WORLD.
We have our instrument rating. There comes a time when approaches are
approaches. Some are higher workload than others, but none are
"challenging."

Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to Taipei.
Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach with some
special issues.

Lynne


Lynne - What exactly are your credentials (hours/ratings/etc)?

(Peter Gibbons) wrote

(Lynne Miller) wrote
Yes, I've been to Aspen. I've been to Hong Kong. I've been to
Taipei. Been there done that, and it's just a normal approach
with some special issues.

Lynne - What exactly are your credentials (hours/ratings/etc)?

Everything.......:-) Copied from Google for your amusement.


From: Lynne Miller )
Subject: Throw out that checklist
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Date: 2003-06-19 11:56:52 PST

How many of you actually use a checklist?
The method I use when I fly (Cessna Citation VII) is a flow check.
If
you have a good flowcheck for the various phases of flight, I feel
a
checklist is not necessary. I am curious what others do?
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From: Lynne Miller )
Subject: Palo Alto 3, Reid Hillview 0
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.ifr
Date: 2001-08-08 09:13:21 PST

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From: Lynne Miller )
Subject: Got my wings
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.student
Date: 2001-05-29 08:25:51 PST

I passed my PVT checkride last night!!! Pretty much the "standard"
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From: Lynne Miller )
Subject: AST-300
Newsgroups: rec.aviation.ifr
Date: 2003-08-20 07:32:43 PST

Yes, I am familiar with the PTS.
During my ATP checkride, I used a checklist after my flowcheck. I
use
a checklist during 299 rides, etc. after the flowcheck but in the
real
world, I don't use a checklist.
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