Interesting Departure Procedu MRB Trixy Two

"Robert Henry" wrote in message
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beginning of RWY 26). Just barely flying the minimum would put you 20
seconds past the 199 from LDN assuming a standard rate left turn. If

I flew the procedure with a student in my Cessna 210 simulator (which also
has a Garmin 530) and we reached the designated altitude significantly
before we crossed the radial. If the procedure were flown purely by VOR and
pilotage with no moving map, one could easily lose situational awareness at
that point.

Again, the Jepp charts depict this much better graphically, although I
realize only the text is legally binding.

--
Richard Kaplan, CFII

www.flyimc.com

"Richard Kaplan" wrote in message
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If the procedure were flown purely by VOR and
pilotage with no moving map, one could easily lose situational awareness
at
that point.

Again, the Jepp charts depict this much better graphically, although I
realize only the text is legally binding.

I wouldn't know about the Jepp - don't have it -, but you're right about the
in situ problem. I didn't even think about the 160 notation, which presumes
that flying through the radial is likely even though it is depicted as a
straight intercept to join the radial.

But I have to wonder why or how one would fly a DP and use pilotage in this
case.

Robert Henry wrote:

Well, I pulled up the Garmin 500 sim and put 199 in for TRIXY in OBS mode.
This puts the 199 radial just about right through the BIITO BCM on the LOC
BC RWY 8. That fix is 3.9 miles west of the airport, and that runway is
7000 ft long. So, it would be about 5 miles to go 1300' from a field
elevation of 557, which is required by the 300' per NM in the ODP.

It's 2.6 miles from the departure end of 26 to the radial assuming no VOR
system errors (not a good assumption unless you're using GPS). And, the 300
feet per mile is the minimum climb gradient. If my airplane does 500 feet per
mile I will be at 1,800 prior to the radial.

Interestingly enough, whereas the NOAA chart says "intercept LDN R-019
*TO* trixy int" the Jepp chart says "intercept LDN R-019 *OR* trixy
int".

Gerd (ATPL)
T182 C-FDOW

How do you intercept an intersection? I always find it amusing
when I see a sign saying "It is forbidden to pass this point" or
whatever since you can't really pass a point. But I'd hope that
the terpsters would be a bit more precise!

John

"gwengler" wrote in message
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Interestingly enough, whereas the NOAA chart says "intercept LDN R-019
*TO* trixy int" the Jepp chart says "intercept LDN R-019 *OR* trixy
int".

Gerd (ATPL)
T182 C-FDOW

OK....Soo...

Who do we tell our opinion to ?

We should be able to have it reviewed or something right ? Then if "they"
feel they can do better, then "they" will design a better DP, right ?

Stuart


"John Harper" wrote in message
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How do you intercept an intersection? I always find it amusing
when I see a sign saying "It is forbidden to pass this point" or
whatever since you can't really pass a point. But I'd hope that
the terpsters would be a bit more precise!

John

"gwengler" wrote in message
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Interestingly enough, whereas the NOAA chart says "intercept LDN R-019
*TO* trixy int" the Jepp chart says "intercept LDN R-019 *OR* trixy
int".

Gerd (ATPL)
T182 C-FDOW

"Stuart King" wrote in message
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OK....Soo...

Who do we tell our opinion to ?

We should be able to have it reviewed or something right ? Then if "they"
feel they can do better, then "they" will design a better DP, right ?

The address and toll-free number are listed on the INOP Components
page/inside cover of any volume of the NACO US Terminal Procedures.

Robert Henry wrote:

"Stuart King" wrote in message
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OK....Soo...

Who do we tell our opinion to ?

We should be able to have it reviewed or something right ? Then if "they"
feel they can do better, then "they" will design a better DP, right ?

The address and toll-free number are listed on the INOP Components
page/inside cover of any volume of the NACO US Terminal Procedures.

You're wasting your time calling them. The procedure "belongs" to the FAA
regional flight procedures office. That is under Aviation System Standards.