Useless radio transmissions

Dave wrote:



This brings up an interesting question: Who has the right of way? Me,
because I am already on the runway, ready to take off - or the traffic
on approach, because it was "landing" (though had not so stated - only
an "IFR Approach" called out). As it
turned out, I held at the departure end, and the traffic declared a
missed approach (perhaps having intended to do so all along?), and
passed overhead.

How close was he? If he's a few miles out you have no conflict,
takeoff and turn.

On 2006-08-25, Bela P Havasreti wrote:
On CTAF:
Announcing that you're "Clear of the active". You might think anyone
who is waiting to take off can *see* when you're clear.

You might, but you'd be wrong at some airports, like the one I fly out
of. The only way you can see landing traffic clear the runway is if
they make the last turnoff and you catch sight of the tip of their
tail.

The narrow taxiways and hills also make it useful for people to self-
announce movement on the field. If you're going to the hangars from
the fuel you don't want someone taking the first turnoff and coming
nose-to-nose with you on the taxiway.

--
Ben Jackson AD7GD

http://www.ben.com/

Dont use "active" at all. Here is why. A pilot approaches the pattern.
He turns his radio on. If all he hears is the other pilots are using
the "active", he doesn't know which runway is in use. And he doesn't
have to ask, if the pilots say the runway number instead of "active".

Doug wrote:
Dont use "active" at all. Here is why. A pilot approaches the pattern.
He turns his radio on. If all he hears is the other pilots are using
the "active", he doesn't know which runway is in use. And he doesn't
have to ask, if the pilots say the runway number instead of "active".


Precisely my point.

Even controllers usually don't use "taxi to the active", we're told
"taxi to runway 2"

"Bela P. Havasreti" wrote in message
...

Making 30+ second long position reports, 4500 feet over some
non-descript / podunk town. More annoying when the broadcaster does
so in broken english. Even more annoying when the broadcaster does
so every 5 minutes!

Even more annoying when the broadcaster neglects to mention what airport.


"Ummmm...... Cessna 1...2...3....4....5 is um......... Turning left
um............ Downwind...............
um.......................... For the ummmm...........

active runway........



um........

Cessna um..... 1.....2......3......4......5

Doug makes and excellent point. The rest of you have brought up a
subject which get me too.
I would rather a pilot would err on the side of caution than to not say
anything and cause and serious upleasant situation.
Perhaps more pilots should attend some wings programs and learn the
proper techniques.
Many pilots do not use proper terminology on the radio. Years ago, I
was one of the worst on the radio. With study and proper training, I
was able to overcome my short falls.
In order, the three essentials to flying are Aviate .Navigate
Communicate.
I teach my students to think before they speak.
Address with whom you desire communication.
Announce who you are.
Where you are.
What you want.
When you are at an uncontrolled airport, Announce the name of the
airport at the beginning and also at the end of your transmission.
These are the traditional and expected patter techniques.
For more information on the subject, read Section 2 Radio
Communications Phraseology and Techniques in the Aeronautical
Information Manual.

Steve Foley wrote:
"Bela P. Havasreti" wrote in message
...

Making 30+ second long position reports, 4500 feet over some
non-descript / podunk town. More annoying when the broadcaster does
so in broken english. Even more annoying when the broadcaster does
so every 5 minutes!

Even more annoying when the broadcaster neglects to mention what airport.


"Ummmm...... Cessna 1...2...3....4....5 is um......... Turning left
um............ Downwind...............
um.......................... For the ummmm...........

active runway.......


um........

Cessna um..... 1.....2......3......4......5



On 122.8 !!! =8^0

Or the jet jockey jargon....

SlowPoke FBO SuperFast Jet N66666
SlowPoke FBO this is SuperFast Jet N66666
SlowPoke FBO this is SuperFast Jet N66666 how do you read?
SlowPoke FBO this is SuperFast Jet N66666, co you copy SuperFast Jet N66666?

Go ahead SuperFast Jet N66666

Hey there SlowPoke FBO, howyadoin?, this is SuperFast Jet N66666, we're
about 50 miles out and will be there in about 10 minutes, we just wanted to
let you know that we would be staying with ya a couple of days.

(who freaking cares!)

Roger SuperFast Jet N66666 we'll keep the light on.

then a few minutes later it starts all over again with at 20 miles out or 10
miles out with Any traffic please watch out, or requests for phone calls, do
you have a crew car, ect....

Hello? you're gonna land in 3 freaking minutes! Please hold your questions
at least as long as you can hold your bladder! You could have made a phone
call before you took off!

Our local CTAF is 122.7 and there is another airport over 100 miles away
also using 122.7 but has a lot of corporate jet traffic. The jet guys at
that airport are pitiful. They start calling the FBO from ridiculous
distances and altitudes with the dumbest comments and requests. Many
absolutely do not matter. Is so and so working the desk? Great, I really
like her.... What's for dinner? We won't need any fuel, we'll catch it
tomorrow.

It all leaves a very bad impression upon a student that's trying to get
comfortable with what he IS supposed to say.

Jim

On Fri, 25 Aug 2006 14:20:16 -0500, Jim Burns wrote:

but has a lot of corporate jet traffic

This is not limited to jet drivers.

- Andrew

On CTAF:
Announcing that you're "Clear of the active". You might think anyone
who is waiting to take off can *see* when you're clear. The only
exception I can think of is a (severely) crowned runway where the
other end can't be seen from the departure end.

Why would anyone say "clear of the active"?
Is it a secret which runway you used?
Do you want to withhold information from arriving pilots?

Say clearly and boldy:
"Podunk Traffic, Skylane 6 Delta Mike is clear of two eight, Podunk".

"Area traffic, please advise" just slays me!
Do you think a pilot needs to be requested to talk?
How is "area traffic" different from "traffic"?????#$%

Just give YOUR information. If another pilot thinks there may
be a conflict, that other pilot will give THEIR information.
I have a power-point presentation that I give at FAA Wings
seminars in an attempt to clear this "lazy mouth and lazy
brain" crap off the air.

Best regards,

Jer/ "Flight instruction and mountain flying are my vocations!"
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