Checkride - Passed, but the bubble did burst a bit

Jose wrote in message . com...
So that's the entire ride: departure, hold, two approaches, one of
which is a precision approach. Three emergencies, one of which
includes an engine out approach if in a multi-engine aircraft. No
partial panel, no steep turns, nothing like that in Canada.

Did you already hold an instrument rating for a single?

Jose

No, I didn't. This was my first ever check ride for the IFR. Class 1
here in Canada. I'm not sure what the equivalent is elsewhere. Class
1 = multi engine, non center line thrust; 2 = multi, center line
thrust; 3 = single engine. Makes me wonder why you'd limit yourself
to a center line thrust aircraft only, since there really aren't many
of those. Besides the Cessna 336/337 and some weird WWII German
aircraft, I can't think of any others.

--Kevin

No, I didn't. This was my first ever check ride for the IFR. Class 1
here in Canada. I'm not sure what the equivalent is elsewhere. Class
1 = multi engine, non center line thrust; 2 = multi, center line
thrust; 3 = single engine.

Usually (in the US) one gets a pilot certificate for single engine (usually land) airplanes, then the instrument rating (in a single), and then pursues a multi rating. Nothing I know of says it can't be done backwards though.

If you get your instrument rating in a single, and then get a license for a twin, I don't know whether you need a separate instrument (add-on) checkride for the multi. I can't find it in the regs, though something in the back of my mind makes it
familiar.

Makes me wonder why you'd limit yourself
to a center line thrust aircraft only, since there really aren't many
of those. Besides the Cessna 336/337 and some weird WWII German
aircraft, I can't think of any others.

I was told that the C336/7 was created so that a person with a single engine rating could fly a twin engine airplane (since there would be no critical engine, and no adverse yaw, and no blueline). However, the FAA decided that not only did you have
to have a multi-engine rating =and= a type rating for that particular aircraft. However they made it possible to get a multi rating that would be limited to centerline thrust if you wanted. Advantages would accrue to those who wanted it just to
fly the C336/7 (owners, for example) and so didn't need all the training in adverse yaw and such (and to keep it all current)

Jose
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On Sat, 06 Nov 2004 04:03:53 GMT, Jose
wrote:

Usually (in the US) one gets a pilot certificate for single engine (usually land) airplanes, then the instrument rating (in a single), and then pursues a multi rating. Nothing I know of says it can't be done backwards though.

It can be done backwards. I know someone who did all multi (except
private) and then single.

If you get your instrument rating in a single, and then get a license for a twin, I don't know whether you need a separate instrument (add-on) checkride for the multi. I can't find it in the regs, though something in the back of my mind makes it
familiar.
The PTS mandates if you are IFR rated in singles and go for a multi
add-on you are required to demonstrate IFR profficiency during the
checkride. You used to be able to forgo the IFR stuff and get a VFR
only restriction, but now the only way to do that is add a multi to a
cert that does not have Instrument privs.

HTH.
z

Jose wrote

Usually (in the US) one gets a pilot certificate for single engine
I was told that the C336/7 was created so that a person with a single
engine rating could fly a twin engine airplane (since there would be
no critical engine, and no adverse yaw, and no blueline). However,
the FAA decided that not only did you have to have a multi-engine
rating =and= a type rating for that particular aircraft.

An Aircraft Type Rating is required only if the C-336/337 weighs
over 12,500 pounds.....not very likely.
Now...the possibility exists that you have written a very poorly
composed paragraph.

Bob Moore

Kevin,

Besides the Cessna 336/337 and some weird WWII German
aircraft, I can't think of any others.


Adam 500.

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Thomas Borchert (EDDH)

An Aircraft Type Rating is required only if the C-336/337 weighs
over 12,500 pounds.....not very likely.
Now...the possibility exists that you have written a very poorly
composed paragraph.

It is more likely that I used the wrong words. One does require an endorsement or some kind of special approval to fly the centerline thrust Cessna, even with a multi ticket. I called it a type rating; perhaps the FAA calls it something else, in
the same sense that it does not issue "licenses".

As for a poorly composed paragraph, the last sentense is the result of an imcomplete edit. Not only do you have to have a multi, you also have to have a [something] is what I meant.

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Jose wrote
One does require an endorsement or some kind of special
approval to fly the centerline thrust Cessna, even with
a multi ticket.

Wanna Bet?

Bob Moore

zatatime wrote in message . ..

It can be done backwards. I know someone who did all multi (except
private) and then single.
Snip

Not even germain to the topic, but amusing. I fly with a guy in my
glider club who is rated for: Glider, two engines, three engines, four
engines (I think) and eight engines.

Military B-52's and Delta. Well, and gliders.

No single engine rating at all.

Odd, huh?

Jim

One does require an endorsement or some kind of special
approval to fly the centerline thrust Cessna, even with
a multi ticket.


Wanna Bet?

No. I'll infer that I was mistaken. Since I don't fly those things I have no reason to =know=, I'm just responding with what I was taught in ground school &$ years ago.

Jose
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