What's up with Google???

unicate wrote in news:Xmnushal8y-3388F5.08453830102006
@news.phx.highwinds-media.com:

"Kingfish" wrote:
3-4 times in the last week I've posted replies only to get the Oops!
message and that the page is unavailable (reply got wiped out). This
after a masterfully crafted & often witty response on my part which the
group was denied tongue-in-cheek mode off Seriously, is anyone else
seeing this? Most annoying...

I don't think it's Google, I think it's Usenet, although I admittedly
don't know how it all works well enough to even guess what the problem
is.
Snipola

Google is nothing more than a web based front end for posting articles
on usenet. Usenet itself is totally independant. The problem described
is almost 100% surely Google's problem. Usenet does not have any means
of saying that a page is unavailable. In fact, there are no "pages" on
usenet to not be found in the first place.

I suggest a gander over to wikipedia....

http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Usenet

Towards the bottom is a sectionon web interfaces, including Google.

Brian
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Martin Hotze wrote:

F****! I not only once offered free usenet access to my newsserver.

Very kind of you. After using Google's web interface one year while
working at a place that blocked the Usenet port, I discovered I much prefer
the agility and reliability of a client-side news reader.

--
Peter

"Jay Honeck" wrote:
If there's a way to access usenet directly WITHOUT paying
this extra fee to Qwest, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

Close to free:

http://news.individual.net/

(Never tried it myself, though.)

On Mon, 30 Oct 2006 18:21:34 -0000, Jim Logajan wrote in :

"Jay Honeck" wrote:

If there's a way to access usenet directly WITHOUT paying
this extra fee to Qwest, I'd be interested in hearing about it.

Close to free:

http://news.individual.net/

(Never tried it myself, though.)

Here is a list of ~70 news service providers:

http://www.big-8.org/dokuwiki/doku.p...news_providers

FWIW, I'm presently on AstraWeb's $10 for 25 GB downloaded.
There have been a few hiccups in the setup, but (so far),
I'm a happy and satisfied customer.

Marty
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Skywise wrote:
The problem described
is almost 100% surely Google's problem.

Well, it can't be "100% surely Google's problem" because I haven't
accessed these groups with Google in the past month or so, and
Newsreader, that was previously (10 years or so) 100% reliable has also
been giving me "can't access" errors sporatically in the last week.
Coincidence? I doubt it.

Martin Hotze wrote:
Newps wrote:


I don't get it. Does Jay not have an ISP that provides him with an
email account? If so just use your email client to setup a newsgroup
account. What's so hard about that?


What has an emailaccount to do with a usenet account?



I get them both from my ISP. They are transparent, simply another
account listed on my email program.

Robert M. Gary wrote:

Newps wrote:

Peter R. wrote:
I don't get it. Does Jay not have an ISP that provides him with an
email account? If so just use your email client to setup a newsgroup
account. What's so hard about that?


An ISP's account is usually pretty limited in bytes and what groups
they support.

I get my high speed internet from my local cable company(Approx 8 gig
speed) and I have no idea if they are limiting the number of newsgroups,
there are over 50,000 listed. There are no limits as far as I can tell
about the postings.

Newps wrote:

I get them both from my ISP. They are transparent, simply another
account listed on my email program.

Right, and that account contains your user id, password, and your ISP's
named Usenet server. Note that it is highly probably that your ISP's
Usenet server is different than their inbound and outbound email servers.


--
Peter

Newps wrote:
Robert M. Gary wrote:

I get my high speed internet from my local cable company(Approx 8 gig
speed) and I have no idea if they are limiting the number of newsgroups,
there are over 50,000 listed. There are no limits as far as I can tell
about the postings.

Usually the ISP's will filter out groups that have a lot of
copyrigthted material. At one point I was into watching movies at home
before they hit the theater. Its been a while since I've had time to
watch movies so I pretty much gave that up.
However, for a business offering USNET to his customers, it might be
good to have a commercial account like giganews.

-Robert

wrote in message
...
The problem described
is almost 100% surely Google's problem.

Well, it can't be "100% surely Google's problem" because I haven't
accessed these groups with Google in the past month or so, and
Newsreader, that was previously (10 years or so) 100% reliable has also
been giving me "can't access" errors sporatically in the last week.
Coincidence? I doubt it.

Doubt all you want. Google's troubles cannot possibly be related to your
own, if you are not using Google to post.

You are using Cox's news server to post to Usenet. If you get an error,
it's because your news reader (NewsWatcher on Mac OS X) failed to
communicate with the Cox news server.

On the other hand, someone having problems posting with Google is dealing
with some failure of their web browser to communicate with Google's web
servers.

In neither case are you directly connected to "Usenet". You are relying on
a third party to do that communication for you, and you would not ever see
errors that happened during that subsequent communication. The only errors
you might see are when your news client (news reader or browser) fails to
correctly interact with your news provider (Cox's servers or Google's
servers). And a problem with Cox's servers won't cause any sort of issue
with someone using Google's servers, no vice a versa.

Pete